Monday, April 28, 2008

The Promise of Barack Obama

Nothing about Barack Obama is unmoderated. It is not surprising, therefore, that he has declined Hillary Clinton's challenge to debate in an unmoderated (and unscripted) format. Obama fears less to be perceived as a coward than to be exposed as a sham. There is no difference between Al Sharpton and Barack Obama except that Sharpton has been knocked-about and nearly killed for his opportunism whereas Obama has reaped prize after unearned prize.

Obama is an armchair revolutionary who harbors all the hates and resentments of those on the front lines of the racial divide but has been immured all his life from the effects of racism. His entire career thus far (such as it is) has been built on exploiting the exploited, siphoning their suffering to run his political juggernaut. One might say that in this he is no different from any other liberal of our times. No different, let us say, from Hillary Clinton.

But there is a difference: the next phase of his career will be spent exploiting the "exploiters," that is, those who favor his mother's side of the family. It is thus that he affirms his own "victimhood" and validates his own identity. It worked, on a smaller canvas, for his mentor and surrogate father figure, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who, incidentally, despite the mock African garb, is practically white, or, more precisely, black by choice.

Not even Obama's 85-year old white grandmother, who raised him after both his father and mother abandoned him, is exempt from his anger at whites, which is no different from Wright's except that Obama conceals it in meaningless rhetoric while Wright uses all his rhetorical tropes to highlight it. Still, in his speech on race, Obama publicly chastised his own grandmother as a bigot while asserting that he can still love his grandmother even if she is one; the implication being, of course, that he can love and forgive all whites for being bigots and terribly wronging him and his people. Yet, if Obama can regard his own white grandmother as a racist and publicly chastise her as such before the world — a woman who has given the most absolute proof that she is in fact not one — how must he feel about other whites who did not raise him?

For Obama as for Wright racism is the "original sin" of white Americans. Nothing can wash that "sin" out except, perhaps, an infusion of black blood. It appears to have done the trick for Obama himself, who on his mother's side is related to Jefferson Davis.

Quite apart from Obama's socialism, which Hillary shares to a lesser extent, and his inexperience, which Hillary also shares but which, in her case, is supplemented by her husband's (ominous) experience, the biggest difference between Obama and Clinton is that as president Hillary would not pick at the scars of racism until they become new festering wounds.

It is ironic that many Americans both black and white mistakingly believe that the election of Obama will signify the final reckoning with their history and the purification of the American ideal. In fact, the long settled questions of the American Civil War will be revisited and unsettled, and the real progress that has been made since will be threatened if not undone, if Barack Obama is elected president. Obama is the black George Wallace, only smarter and a better actor and hence even more dangerous.

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116 comments:

Ms Calabaza said...

MaT,

Excellent, excellent post! I think the Rev. Wright has thown Obama under the bus though, and this will really hurt his campaign. Wright is speaking at the National Press Club at 8:30 this morning (CSPAN). His speech to the NAACP in Detroit last night was frightening. This man is full of hatred.

reynaldo said...

I'm not sure why you try so hard to disguise your racism and hatred of blacks. On other comment boards and forums, you have routinely referred to them as "darkies" and "Negroes" so why the difference here, mr. tellechea?

Blood, whether it emanates from blacks, whites, Cubans, Americans or Canadians, runs red. All the time.

It's about time you and those of your ilk accept that fact.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Is Reynaldo remarks true Mat?

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Reynaldo:

I have never referred to blacks as "darkies." As for "Negroes," there is nothing offensive in the word, though I personally do not used it when writing in English. In Spanish, of course, that is still the polite and correct word. You are obviously not Spanish yourself, despite your fake moniker. I know well enough who you are.

DNA -- blood, saliva, etc. -- does carry ethnic and racial markers known as genomes. Science has made it possible to map one's genealogical history for hundreds of generations. In fact, it is quite the vogue now. PBS recently aired a program about the genetic histories of prominent African-Americans. All the famous blacks it chronicled had significant white ancestry except Oprah Winfrey. I guess that PBS, Winfrey and all the other blacks who donated their DNA for testing must be racist, too.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

What kind of idiot are you to ask that question? Are you reverting to your unreconstructed days?

nonee moose said...

DNA -- blood, saliva, etc. -- does carry ethnic and racial markers known as genomes.

There was a point to that statement. I just know it.

Agustin Farinas said...

To Mr. Reynaldo:
I have read many of M. Tellechea's comments on several forums I have visited and where he has commented also. I have been reading his postings and comments on yhis own blog for over a year. I have never read any comments written by Mr. Tellechea that were derogatory or racist. If you want to accuse someone of being racist you should provide evidence of said comments. Accusing someone of racsism without evidence or proof makes you a person to be doubted.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

nonee:

So you are playing the idiot like John? Well, it wouldn't be the first time and you certainly do it as well as he does.

The "purpose" is to show that referring to someone's blood as a racial marker is not a racist statement but a scientific fact. One of those cases of science catching up to folklore.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Agustín:

Thank-you. What is known to you is also known to John, "Reynaldo" and nonee.

The problem is that it is impossible to discuss race in this country without the accusation of "racist" being levelled at one unless one genuflects to the usual liberal pieties.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

LOL, Mat.


Well, most white Americans experience some form of discrimination or mistreatment at the hands of Cubans in Miami. Note: it is the main reason why my friends and i moved out. We would spend many nights discussing Cuban racism. Cubans in Miami have developed an ugly and well-known reputation of being very racist. Thus, the question that i put to you, which you answered.

As for your Obama post. As you already know, i live in a very red state. None of my friends or family members want Obama as President. But none think he is a racist as you attempt to sell.

Most of my family and friends actually know what a racist looks like, because they are in fact "vicious" racist themselves.

But as i told you before. None of my family or friends want Obama as President because they think he is on the side of the Spanish immigrant, whether legal or illegal, Cuban or Mexican.

This is a big reason why i stopped being a Democrat. When i came back to my red republican state. I got tired of getting heckled by friends and family for as they said it, i belonged to the "immigrant loving Democratic party." Combined that with my ugly experience in Miami, including the likes of Val and Henry, it was easy to change party affliation to independent.

But to answer your question more directly. I could never revert back to my old ways. Because my thinking at the time was shaped by my negative experiences in Miami.

On the contrary, once i escaped Miami, i reverted back to my "old" ways before i moved to Miami, and before "some" Cuban-Americans got a hold my belief system. But yes, there is a negative experience from Miami that will always linger in "all" Americans who had the misfortune to try to co-exist in Miami.

But, unlike other people in my circle, and their circle. I still have an appreciation of different cultures, and struggles that were shaped from my military experience. An experience that was severely dented by folks in Miami. But it was not destroyed.

Hence, my independent affiliation, rather than the republican party, which many of friends and family flock to. Because of, well, their racism against Spanish speakers.

So Mat, there is no need to peddle that Obama is a racist. The fact that Obama is precieved by "racist," "not" to be a racist against Spanish immigrants, is precisely why the Republican Party will prevail over Obama.

It is all about special interest. Your interest is Cuba, and the "red state republican" special interest is you, the Spanish speaker!!

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

Racism is not an idea, it is a practice. Blacks and Cubans each live in their own enclaves in Miami and there is little interaction between them, which means that the occasions for racism on the part of one or the other are rather limited. The only example of which I am aware is when the Ku Klux Klan and black activists marched arm-in-arm in a protest against Cubans (or, rather, Cuban success). That demonstration shows that Cubans are agents for unity because only hatred for us could unite white racists and black racists.

I don't disagree with you about Obama: he is definitely "pro-Cuban" as in pro-Castro. I don't think that's going to get him many votes in Miami, though.

I am glad to hear that you have not reverted to your old ways. If being in Miami somehow trigerred those instincts then it is well that you are not there any more.

Ms Calabaza said...

I agree with Agustin. On the contrary, unlike other blogs MaT has never added infantile photoshops of Barack Obama. In fact, his race has never been a factor with MaT. He has said the Obama is RED not white nor black. MaT has written about the hypocrisy of the founding fathers of this country who wrote about equal rights for all yet continued to own slaves. I have never read anything that he has written that appeared "racist", in fact, he tends to be pretty hard on the US' history of treating blacks. So, I must deduct that "reynaldo" is just another plant from another one of those infantile blogs.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

First, the Cubans in Miami didnt "trigger" insticts, they "created" them in me, as they have most others. Big difference.

Second, its not necessarily pro-Cuban. It handing out drivers license to immigrants. And providing other special privileges. Much like every other Democratic president has done for Spanish immigrants, especially Cuban immigrants.

Third, i want my next President to be "pro-American." I could care less if he is anti/pro Cuban. Americans for America, first, last, and always.

Fourth, i hope you arent pointing to Miami, in reference to Cuban success, a failed, bankrupt non-American city. Moreover, Cubans will never be seen as successful by Americans, until they free their nation from an ailing, 80-something, retired dictator.

Fifth, blacks and kkk marching together against Spanish immigrants doesnt surprise me in the least. It is what this nation is coming to. Besides, both groups have shed blood for America, unlike most Cubans.

Ms Calabaza said...

john,

I have to disagree with your statement that Cubans have not shed blood for this country. Indeed, plenty have. My own brother was in the military for 6 years. Many did not make it back from Vietnam, Kosovo, the Gulf War and now the Iraq/Afghani war.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

You are reverting to insanity. It pains me to say so because I had taken some credit for your cure. Apparently, you need a double dose of whatever it was that temporarily restored you to sanity in the first place.

So "both groups [blacks and the KKK] have shed blood for America, unlike most Cubans."

To indulge you in your insanity would be only to aggravate it.

I will, therefore, limit myself to observing that not only have Cubans shed blood for this country from the time of the American Revolution but they have also shed their blood copiously because of its repeated betrayals of them.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Ok, if Cubans are so earger to shed blood for an America who doesnt really care about them. Then why doesnt the Cuban shed blood for Cuba in order to free her?

Vana said...

John has shown himself to be anti-Cuban, blaming Cubans in Miami for screwing him up, I will never believe again that his visits here are fraternal, it's obvious he hates us.

Vana said...

BTW Manuel excellent, your observations of Obama should be read by everyone, you nailed him.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

I probably should have added, that in my time of service in the military. I never "once" met a Cuban-American.

In fact, because, according to Mat, Cubans are so successful, and out do Americans in their own game. I was curious how successful the Cuban-Americans were on the battlefield. So i just googled Cuban-American generals. I found zero. I googled Cuban-American admirals. I found zero. And then i googled African-American generals, and found too many to count. I then googled African-American admirals, too many to count. Then of course, there was no need to google white generals and admirals.

I dont mean to minimize the Cuban-American blood that has been spilled for America. But, nevertheless, i dont think it has been a sufficient amount of sacrifice by Cubans on America's foreign battlefields to justify any boasting or bragging, by Mat, or Ms. calabaza!!

Simon the Deli Owner said...

A study in Obama's ancestry will show that he's closer than the African slave traders, mostly Muslim by the way, than to the enlsaved Africans of the past and their Amerircan progeny of today. Slaves were sold by their own kings and rulers to the European "negreros" who were quick in reselling them into the fields of sweat and death of America.
Having said that, Obama should take into account that he represents a black American as much as a black American is represented by a descendant of white immigrants. More, a descendant of white immigrants is not tied at all with slavery or its blood money, given that his or her ancestors probably came after the Civil War and many of them were also poor and exploited when they arrived.
Obama does not represent blacks or whites. Obama represents only himself, and his red supporters, who come in all shades of the human skin rainbow, and with all sorts of padding in their pocket books from thin to very thick.
We are not discussing race, we are discussing the racist manipulation of the politicians, who are quick to stir anti-black, anti-white, and anti-whatever feelings as long as they can ride the wave caused by the turmoil to the top political position.
The worst part is that we are witnessing how somebody has hijacked a whole race (of which he erects himself into representative) and tries to divide this country to fulfill his own ambitions and goals. That's the danger we are facing here: I see that B'rak Hussein Obama is capable of driving the wedges of division very deep, and he also comes across as somebody very capable to instigate even race riots if he does not get what he wants. Of course, his supporters are the ones who will be presented as instigators, specially his white supporters, in order to dissolve the racial component that he is so fond of using and abusing now.

Brad said...

Blacks were better off before white liberals gave them the constant state of victimization. They will never be responsible for their behavoir as long as white people are there to blame.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

vana said: John has shown himself to be anti-Cuban, blaming Cubans in Miami for screwing him up, I will never believe again that his visits here are fraternal, it's obvious he hates us.



It is Henry Gomez and Val Prieto that hate Cubans, not i. On the contrary, i care more about the oppressed Cubans on the island, more than you could possibly realize.

Second, it was more than Miami thet shifted my "political beliefs." It was your republican party who stokes the anti-spanish sentiment, that made all Democrats seem as if they were pro-immigrant taitors.

But, i understand, it is much easier to be mad at me, then your republican brethen like Lou Dobbs, Newt, Buchannon, Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Foxnews, and the whole southern republican base. All of which have done more to foster resentment against the Spanish immigrant, including Cuban-Americans, than a million rednecks put together. Your party!!


If i allowed my "republican" friends or family to come in and chat in RCAB. You would come away truly terrified, and disgusted. Your party!!

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Simon the deli owner sounds like mikecigar.


Why are these guys always so scared to come in under there real names? Amazing, and cowardly at the same time.

Simon the Deli Owner said...

John,
Not even close.
No cigar for you.
Maybe a pretzel....

Fulano de Cal said...

John,

It is unlikely that there are any Cuban-American generals in the US military today because: 1) Most Cuban-Americans officers are too young. Cuban-Americans who would have joined the military as commissioned officers right after University are likely to have been born in the mid to late 60's or early 70's from exiled parents. These first generation soldiers are now in their early to mid 40's and too young to be generals. 2) Those older exiles (who arrived in the US as adults) that did join the military rose in the ranks of non-commissioned officers (with some becoming officers). Many who arrived as adults in the 60's had families and hoped to return to Cuba. Be patient, you will see your first Cuban-American general in the next decade or so. In the mean time, you can read about an exile who almost made general:

http://cb9m.blogspot.com/2006/03/
cuban-american-tapped-
for-key-federal.html

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

simon said: We are not discussing race, we are discussing the racist manipulation of the politicians, who are quick to stir anti-black, anti-white, and anti-whatever feelings as long as they can ride the wave caused by the turmoil to the top political position.






You talking about Trancedo, Newt, Dobbs, Beck, Limbaugh, Savage.


Since we are being honest here today. Another reason why i had to leave the Democratic party, is because my views on "illegal" immigration were not welcomed in former Democratic circles that i traveled in.

If Obama was in fact a racist that you and other Cuban-Americans are trying to sell, he would never have been the nominee.

Nevertheless, America will not vote for Obama. But not for the silly, immature reasons that Cuban-Americans attempt to peddle. The reason America has rejected Obama as their leader is far more sinister, and goes specifically to the heart of the Cuban-American being!!

Anonymous said...

I am disappointed. Your rhetoric about race is, well racist. I can't believe you'd go the route of the white supremacist conspiracy that blacks want to "infuse" black blood into the "pure" (my words)white race.

Can you provide any quotes by Obama where he says that "racism is the "original sin" of white Americans?"

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

fulano,


First, there are two branches in the army, combat arms and non combat arms. The link to the Cuban-American Colonel told me that he was non-combat arms.

Second, to make general, you have had to have "fought" in combat. To get your 4th star, you must have been wounded in combat. "Most" 3 star general are asked to resign if they dont have the purple heart. Google the 4 star generals, and nearly all of them have been shot in combat.

Third, i doubt there are many Cuban-Americans who are generals because of the lack of combat, and/or purple heart. This Cuban-American colonel has neither. Or else, they would have cited it his resume. Note: Colonels are often asked to leave before they get their 1st star.



P.S.
I was combat arms, because i didnt test that well to get out of combat arms. :)

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

Your experience only speaks to your experience. There are Cuban-Americans in the military just as there are Cubans in every field of American life, and most, overwhelmingly, successful.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Mat,


And i made it clear, that is was my military experience. But the lack of Cuban-american admirals and generals are backed up by google. So it is more than just my personal experience!!

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Anonymous:

Don't put words in my mouth while accusing me of putting words in other people's.

I never said Obama wants to infuse black blood into whites. Can anything me more ridiculous or indicative of a predisposition to misunderstand what I actually said?

What I said is that he believes, like his mentor Rev. Jeremiah Wright, that racism is the "original sin" of whites in this country (including his 85-year-old white grandmother). His ties to Jefferson Davis would have made him a prime candidate for expiation for the sins of his slaveowning ancestors if having a Kenyan father did not remove this "bar sinister" from him.

As Simon rightly points out, the vast majority of Americans living today are not descendents of Jefferson Davis or Muslim slavetraders.

Still, the fact that Obama is not wholly white is enough to exempt him from America's "original sin." Not so the children of immigrants who had nothing to do with slavery in America or the 95% of Confederates (and their descendents) who never owned a single slave, for that matter.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

BTW, why did you never make general? From what you claim, there were no Cubans around to stop you.

Fulano de Cal said...

John,

Like I said, just wait some more years and you will see the first Cuban-American general. Cubans can be summed up by the statement "Quality not Quantity." That first general is likely to eventually become Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. His combat wounds may have just been earned yesterday in Iraq.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

fulano,


America will not stand for a Cuban-American chairman. At least not red-state America. That military position belongs to white and black Americans, not Cuban-Americans. At least, according to republicans, like Trancredo, Dobbs, Newt, Beck. You know, the racist republicans that bad-mouth every single Spanish speaker on CNN, Foxnews, and FreeRepublican!!

Agustin Farinas said...

This John longfellow aka lou dobbs obviously did not have a chance to meet 2 good friends of mine who died in Vietnam, one in the paratroopers and another in the Marines.
I call that shed blood, but maybe for him those two do not count. BTW, both of them were born in Cuba.
Or maybe he did not hear that there was a Nuclear submarine Capitan of the Los Angeles callss submarines also who was based out of Connecticut and went on patrol on every ocean of this Earth with the US Navy. And in case you did not know a good part of the money for weapons good old George used before crossing the Delaware were bought with money from the sold jewels of the Cuban aristocracy when England was an enemy of Spain. But why let a little fact like that get in the way of your dislike for Cubans.
I lived in Miami many years and never encountered this Cuban racism you talk about. In fact many of my former friends from school living there were married to Americans of both genders. And as far as Miami being a poor city John, you must be dreaming or the Bosnia experience affected your mind detrimentally.
Miami is now the US gateway for the export business in Latin America and one of the biggest ports in the US after New York, L.A. and Seattle. Before the arrival of these "unwanted and undesirable Cubans", the city of Miami was a small city of absolutely no importance in the business world. It was full of US tourists and retirees from up north. Try getting your facts straight before you insert one of your lower extremities in your bucal cavity.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

Cuba's greatest generals fought on behalf of Cuban independence, men like Antonio Maceo, Máximo Gómez and Calixto García (of Message to García fame). In the Spanish-American War (1898) Cuban generals were allies of the United States (though the same can't exactly be said of American generals in respect to Cuba).

Since Spain was a U.S. ally during the American Revolution, hundreds of Cubans fought at the battles of Mobile and Pensacola under the command of Gen. Bernardo Galvez (he's on a U.S. postage stamp).

A batallion of Cubans also fought with Washington and Rochambeau at the battle of Yorktown. The French fleet of Admiral DeGrasse, stranded in the Caribbean for lack of funds, was provided with 1.2 million livres by the inhabitants of Havana so that it could sail to Chesapeake Bay and engage the British navy, which it defeated in the definitive battle of the Revolution.

The first Cuban-American general in the U.S. Army was José Mariano Hernández (1793-1857), born in St. Augustine, FL, at the time an administrative department ruled from Cuba. He was also the first Cuban-American congressman (1822-1824) and the first Cuban to run for the Senate (1845). He died at his family estate in Matanzas, Cuba, and is buried there.

I could now proceed to the Civil War, where Cubans fought on both sides, and then to all this country's other wars. But that is too great a subject to cover in one comment and is best saved for a 4th of July post.

Agustin Farinas said...

And before I forget, it was those "pesky, unwanted, and undesirable" Cuban refugees who came to Florida who alerted the Republican Senator from New York Mr. Kenneth Keating to the fact that the Soviet Union together with Mr. Castro was putting ofensive missile weapons in Cuba in 1962. They kept "pestering" the good Senator from N.Y. about the evidence they had seen themselves in Cuba. The Democratic Admin of the time headed by Mr. Kennedy (Mr. Camelot himself) initiated U-2 flights over Cuba and photographed the evidence of the duplicity of the Russians. But until then, the talk in Washington was that we were fever minded and were inventing the Russian missiles. A few U-2 photos later and the real truth was discovered and revealed for all to see in black and white.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

augustin said: But why let a little fact like that get in the way of your dislike for Cubans.



And then turned around and said this: Before the arrival of these "unwanted and undesirable Cubans",





Well, first, shame on you for not wanting Cubans in Miami. Your rank bigotry knows no bounds. It also demonstrates a dislike of Cuban immirants, the likes of which ranks up there with the biggest anti-Cuban writers that i have ever read in a Cuban blog.

You sir, are a disgrace to all whoever lived in Miami!!

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

agustine said: And before I forget, it was those "pesky, unwanted, and undesirable" Cuban refugees who came to Florida


It is a sad day in America, when writers such as agustine, can openly call Cuban-Americans pesky, unwanted, and undesirable.

How dare you flaunt you anti-Cuban bigotry for the world to see. How dare you not recognize how Cuban-Americans built Miami into one of the greatest cities in the entire world!!

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Wait, Cubans fought in the American Civil War. But Cubans dont want to fight in a potential Cuban civil war. That really doesnt make a whole like of sense.

nonee moose said...

Blood, whether it emanates from blacks, whites, Cubans, Americans or Canadians, runs red. All the time.

Is that what your were responding to with your declarations on genomics?

Yes, the point is that you will slip and slide a response, now it seems to the point of creating a purpose out of whole cloth in order to respond to it.

You sure are smart, MAT. I'm very impressed.

No pierdas la tabla, MAT. Un tipo intelectual como tu tiene que acostumbrarse a lidiar con las masas inferiores. Paciencia.

Tell you what, MAT. In response to this comment, why don't you tell me again about the median per capita TV sets in Cuban society under Batista? I will stipulate that it is to the point.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

nonee,


I never understand what you say. Just start speaking normal.

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Fantomas said...

You are obviously not Spanish yourself, despite your fake moniker. I know well enough who you are.

John who is " reinaldo"

you seem to know everybody here including de anonimi, remember dont trust the ip from site meter, it is not as reliable as you may think

Fantomas said...

below is the smartest and more sincere comment that I have seen here in RCAB Nation history



Vana said...
John has shown himself to be anti-Cuban, blaming Cubans in Miami for screwing him up, I will never believe again that his visits here are fraternal, it's obvious he hates us.

4/28/2008 1:00 PM

Thanks dear Vana four outing tha cuban hater

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

noone:

I must second John on this one. I don't understand what you are saying either.

But to indulge you:

Pre-Castro Cuba had more tv sets per capita than all the rest of Latin America and Europe. It was also the second country in the world to have color tv.

Fantomas said...

Pre-Castro Cuba had more tv sets per capita than all the rest of Latin America and Europe. It was also the second country in the world to have color tv.


right on manny

Vana said...

John:

It's obvious you have a chip on your shoulder in your estimation put there by Cubans in Miami, then may I ask what you are doing in this blog hanging around with us?
after all we are Cuban, or maybe you didn't notice.

Fantomas said...

Vana, John ( same person) da lo mismo

what's upppppppppppppppppppppp?

dont be afraid to salute the Fanto man

CorgiGuy said...

MAT

This thread proves the absuridty of group indentity, started obama, then onto negroes and darkies, the crazy reverend, red state bigotry, cuban generals in the civil war, obama and the muslims.

Man if we could just value each other as individuals all this nonsense would stop.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Vana,


Ah Vana, you, like most other Cuban-Americans convolute the Cuban people, and the Cuban-Americans.

Unlike most other Americans, i am able to distinguish between the two.

Therefore, to answer your question. I am very interested in the Cuban struggle against communism that is on the outskirts on my beloved nation of America.

But i am not interested in the Cuban-Americans, who seem to be more interested in George W. Bush, then freedom for Cuba!!

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

corgiguy:

You probably remember an experiment in sociology that was conducted in grade school: something was whispered in your ear, and you, in turn, coveyed the message to the next student, and so, successively, until it reached the last.

By then, of course, the message bore no relation to the original.

What you are seeing at work here is much the same phenomenon.

If I were a censor, I would neatly trim away all extraneous matter and create a thread which was a natural growth -- or so, at least, it would appear -- of the original post. But that would be dishonest and far less interesting.

Go with the flow, corgiguy.

CorgiGuy said...

mat

the problem with going with the flow is that you eventually end up over the waterfall

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

coriguy said: the problem with going with the flow is that you eventually end up over the waterfall



I know i will be accused of racism. But i swear, i have never met a group of people who detest "speech" more than "some" Cuban-Americans.

Only in Cuban-American blogs do you hear bitching and moaning about what is said, or how it is said.

Fantomas said...

?

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

corgiguy:

No Niagara here, unless I reproduce Heredia's poem.

Fantomas said...

°°||||°°""33!!!!!!!!!!1!!!

Anonymous said...

pot meet kettle:


"Warning!
Do not run afoul of the proponents . . . No wonder there's a "consensus" on global warming. All infidels and skeptics are excommunicated."

Posted by Henry Louis Gomez at Babalu tonight.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Anonymous:

Henry is not a proponent of global warming, but he is by no means a foe of national warming as practiced upon Cubans in his proverbial pressure cooker.

Vana said...

John:

Most of us here are not fans of George Bush, as a matter of fact we are not fans of most American Presidents, so you see your argument is unfounded.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Note:

The following is the transcript of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's speech and question and answer session at the National Press Club today.

Of special interest are his assertions that racism is the original sin of white America (as we anticipated in our post); that Barack Obama was forced to disavow him for the sake of political expediency not because he is necessarily inimical to his positions; and that he will not disavow Louis Farrakhan because Mandela never repudiated his "friend" Castro:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/28/transcript-rev-wright-at-the-national-press-club/

Fantomas said...

Mat we live in a democracy leave mr Wright alone..let him preach whatever he wants

and if obama listens to him thats his problem too not yours

and if the people ( tha mayority of able voting us citizens) elect Obama te lo tendras que chupar for 8 more years

thats life my friend , si no te gusta muevete para New Zealand

kinder and gentler today mat

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

fantomas:

Of course, you would like to see Obama elected. Just like Fidel.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Vana,


Most Cuban-Americans worship all things republican. If Newt Gingrich or Tom Trancredo was on the ticket. Mike Cigar, Val, and others would be praising Gingrich and Trancredo's racism against Spanish. And screaming as loud as you could that Obama was the one who hated immigrants.

Cuban-Americans used to complain how liberal CNN was. And then CNN, unleashed "conservatives" in their line-up like Dobbs and Glenn Beck. Conservatives who have sewn a culture of hatered against all things Spanish, that will be passed down generations.

It took Cuban-Americans nearly seven years to realize that Bush was an "empty suit." I suspect Mccain will be much like Bush, and it will also take another seven years for you folks realize that he is another empty suit.

But by that time, America will be in the Great Depression 2, gasoline prices at $10.00 a gaoline "if you can find it," food rationing. And of course, civil war in the streets, between Americans, and Spanish immigrants. As is the coded message that conservatives send to millions everyday throughout America.

Being self-loathing that "some" Cuban immigrants are, they will attempt to join the side of their republican brethen, i.e., Gingrich, Trancredo, and Limbaugh. But of course, the vote is all they wanted from you in the first place.

It is like you people dont have pride in your culture, to stand up for yourself, or your nation. To pimp yourself out to "real bigots" like Trancedo and Gingrich, republicans that only seek your destruction.

But never mind real bigotry by those bigots. Lets talk about a real bigot that hates Spanish immigrants, lets talk about Obama!!

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

mat said: Of course, you would like to see Obama elected. Just like Fidel.



That is childish, and beneath you. This election will be much more complicated to say if you vote for Obama, you are voting for Fidel. Besides Fidel is retired. Remember? Or do you wish to dig him up, in order to force your Cuban brethen to vote as "you" wish.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Hey Mat, do you wear an American flag pin?

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

American flag pin?

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Hey mat, do you care about the mean-spirited anti-spanish bigots in your own party, which there are many?

Fantomas said...

Of course, you would like to see Obama elected. Just like Fidel.

fidel esta brain dead,i cant vote for him

tambien te digo que el nunca permitio elecciones libres sin coaxion

ese es el remark mas estupido qe tu has hecho en la hisoria de RCAB

definitivamente i got your attention which is what i wanted

pense que me estabas ignorando

i cant stand when people ignore me . i need attention and rebuttals
it is my gasolina como dice el daddy yankee

tranquilo

CorgiGuy said...

mat

i'm not following your arguments why mr obama is bad. john is raising some good points.

Race, The Pastor, the flag pin, the arab middle name, seem to me are being used as wedge issues to instill fear in us the populus so we can get sidetracked from the real issues that affect us all.

You know like the immoral war in iraq, social security, mortgage crisis, immigration, the ecomony, the dying infastructrue, outsourcing of our jobs.

These are the real issues that concern me and whoever addresses them get's my vote. The Pastor, the flag pin is meaningless and absurd.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

coriguy said: Race, The Pastor, the flag pin, the arab middle name, seem to me are being used as wedge issues to instill fear in us the populus so we can get sidetracked from the real issues that affect us all.





Mat is eargerly pimping the racist republican talking points against Obama. These are the same racist talking points that Dobbs, and Trancredo employ against Spanish speakers, including Cuban immigrants.

I am surprised that i am the only one who notices the similiarities. Not in the mentalities between Newt and Mat. But rather, the racist wedge issues used to instill hatered against people that are different then them.

The red-state Republicans fear they cant beat the Spanish immigrant, so they demonize them. The Republicans, and Mat fear they cant beat Obama, so they demonize him.

No difference!!

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

corgiguy,


I make sense because i speak from middle America. At my dinner table in middle America, there is no talk of Obama being a racist. As Mat would like to attempt to argue. As i said earlier, a real racist knows what another racist looks like and sounds like. And at least in my "racist republican family," no one talks about Obama being is a racist. However, there is a lot of talk about Obama having an deceased immigrant father, which they dont like.

Moreover, I think it is a disservice to call a non-racist like Obama a racist. While giving a free pass to Dobbs, Trancredo, Beck and other republicans who truly are bigots. Those men have done harm to the grandchildren of Cuban-Americans.

But Mat is unconcerned about this. Mat's only goal in life is to return to Cuba, and enjoy his god-given right that was bestowed upon him. Ignoring the damage done by Republican bigots to the Cuban-American who have made America their home.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

LOL, yah, i am just waiting for Cuban immigrants to start ripping on Obama for not wearing an American flag pin!!


LOL

Vana said...

John:

Obviously you have not been reading this blog long enough, Manuel has already unmasked the likes of Tancredo, Newt etc, etc, we know they are anti latino anti immigration, go find those articles, they are here in this blog.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

john:

Excuse me, John, but you style yourself as "aka lou dobbs" and yet write that Cuban-Americans "give a free ride to Dobbs... and other Republicans who are bigots."

Well, I cannot answer for Cuban-Americans, whom I doubt "give a free ride" to Republican bigots, but I have attacked Republican xenophobes here time and time again.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

vana,


The republican party bigotry against Spanish-speaking immigrants does not begin and stop with a few republicans. Rather, the republican party is becoming stronger because of the anti-spanish bigotry and resulting backlash.

Sure Mat, may have given a couple of token post to obvious republican who hate the Spanish immigrants, like Newt and Trancredo.

But the fact is, if either Newt or Trancredo was at the republican nominee. The Cuban-American community would cheer wildly during their speeches. Cite: Henry Gomez.

Meanwhile they would actively and falsely peddle that Obama was the true racist against Spanish immigrants. While Newt and Trancredo was just in love with the Spanish immigrant.

And what is worse, there would be a sizable majority of the Cuban-American community who would caste votes for Trancredo and/or Newt believing the spin put out by the likes of Mat.


LOL

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Vana:

Thank-you, Vana. I can always count on you to come to my defense even before I do.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

mat said: Excuse me, John, but you style yourself as "aka lou dobbs" and yet write that Cuban-Americans "give a free ride to Dobbs... and other Republicans who are bigots."




I am able to pull out Mr.Dobbs illegal immigrant points. And discard his bigotry against "all" Spanish immigrants, which he quietly weaves into his message. Unfortunately, most Americans are too intellectually lazy to raise to my level of thought to decipher his two messages.

More importantly, it was Cuban-Americans who bitterly complained about the lack of conservative voices on CNN. And now, i see that Gus Savage will be included in the CNN's line-up. A vicious republican who has built his career on bashing Spanish-speakers.

If you want to go to a channel, where you can watch without Spanish immigrant bashing. The only place left in America is MSNBC. Of course, they got that good ole republican Pat Buchannon there to bash Spanish speakers there, too.


LOL, and you want to foist Obama above these republican mean-spirited, nasty, anti-spanish bigots. ROFL


Take some pride in your culture, defend it against your "real" enemies. Obama does not hate Spanish immigrants. So stop trying to make a non-racist, a racist. There arent many non anti-Spanish left in America, thanks to the anti-spanish racist republican party.

CorgiGuy said...

John

Though i agree with your points about obama, bigotry, republicans, you are loosing me when you use start stereotyping, like when you say cuban americans are this or that, it seeems to me that you are falling into the trap of becoming the bigottry which you are criticizing

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

Like Gingrich and Tancredo, Obama is a one-trick pony. They all exploit racial and ethic divisions for their own benefit. Newt and Tancredo claim to be defending America from a horde of foreigners whose presence here, they claim, will destroy the American way of life. In fact, of course, undocumented workers subsidize that way of life by being this country's new chattel slaves.

Obama preaches inclusion as a firewall. Behind it, however, he is a disciple of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who, in turn, is a disciple of Minister Farrakhan.

Neither "Know-Nothing" nativists nor black separatists mean this country any good and both would have catastrophic effects on this country's relations with its allies.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

Flag pins tell us as much about a candidate's patriotism as crucifixes do about his religiosity.

This is a point that Cubans know all too well.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

corgiguy,


That is a fair point. And i try not to sterotype Cuban-Americans. As i met many Cuban-Americans who make it a point to defeat every type of negative sterotype that others Cubans, including Mat, attempts to prepetuate.

An example is Cuban-American Obama supporters. Before i left Miami, i noticed many "young" Cuban-Americans who had recently rejected the racist republican party. In fact, many of them were educated in the panhandle, and had many negative experience with conservative republicans up there.

One Cuban-American told me a story once, how while he was a student at FSU, he attempted to go to an all-white republican party house party. At the door, they told him no because he was immigrant. I was absolutely stunned, as he looked like a white American to me. I asked him, "how did they know you were Cuban." He said, "there eyes are trained up north, because the have seen many white cubans before, and they just know the difference."

So your point is well taken, as there are many Cuban-Americans who have suffered at the hands of republican racist in America, particularly in the racist republican Florida panhandle. The very same racist republicans that Mat attempts to ignore.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Mat said: Like Gingrich and Tancredo, Obama is a one-trick pony.



Obama is like Trancredo.


LOL, ok mat

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Hey mat, how did you feel when Bush used Mccain's adoptive immigrant daughter to defeat Mccain for the nomination in 2000 South Carolina primary?

Only in the Republican party can a knucklehead like Bush win the nomination by making his challenger's immigrant daughter a reason that he should be the nominee.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

mat said: Flag pins tell us as much about a candidate's patriotism as crucifixes do about his religiosity.



Really? I challenge any Cuban-American to drive through my republican red-state with the Cuban flag on his/her bumper sticker. Believe me when i tell you, the few immigrants here in my community do not dare fly their nations flag!!

CorgiGuy said...

Mat

Did you know that most lapel pins and curcifixes are manufucatured in Chinese sweatshops ?

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Note:

Reviews of Wright's speech before the National Press Club are unanimous in their condemnation of Obama's erstwhile mentor and in their urgents appeals for Obama to disown him once and for all. But, as Obama has said, he "could no more disown Wright than he could disown the black community." Apparently, Obama thinks the African-American community at large thinks like the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and suggests that he does also:

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/04/29/wright-reactions/?icid=100214839x1200977186x1200036712

Vana said...

John:

I reckon you are a Southerner, I further reckon you are still crying about losing the Civil war, your hatred of African Americans has now turned to people of Spanish descent, you gotta have somone to hate!

Vana said...

Manuel:

But of course, you wouldn't have said it if it wasn't so!

CorgiGuy said...

Here's my theory on the latest pastor wright flack. This is all calculated political drama, a good guy ( obama ) vs bad guy ( wright ) theater.

Wright is playing the bad guy being outrageous and thus giving obama a good reason to denounce him. Obama will give a speech in the next comming days denouncing the pastor.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

vana,


Yes, i do claim southern roots. But i do not claim to be upset that the south lost the civil war. Because without the southern soldier, America may have been invaded by the communist in the 1980's. Therefore, i am grateful of a unified America.

Additonally, i dont hate anyone, including blacks. As i consider blacks to be real Americans.

Finally, i dont hate people of Spanish descent. On the contrary, they are welcome in my nation if:

1) They speak English
2) Fly the American flag
3) Serve this nation
4) Follow American laws
5) And obey the constitution

I dont think that is asking to much of the Spanish immigrant, nor is it racist. In fact, it is what the Republican party preaches all the time. I would think being that you are a republican also, that you would agree with those five principles presented above.


Sincerely,

Fantomas said...

breaking news Obama victorious

Se desprende obama totalmente del loco Wright


Wright does not speak in behalf of Obama

Very intelligent move by the young senator

still on top

Hillary crying foul

i will bring you the live press conference quick Mat you tube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VSBKouDQ-U

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

corgiguy said: Here's my theory on the latest pastor wright flack. This is all calculated political drama, a good guy ( obama ) vs bad guy ( wright ) theater.



Wright is not the issue, Spanish immigrants are what America is terrified of.

The 2008 election will all come down to the Spanish immigrant, and the preception that they are taking over America. This perception alone will cause America to run to Mccain for salvation.

CorgiGuy said...

John

I live in southern california, we have immmigrants here from nearly every nation. i can't say that californians are terrified of immigrants, i just don't see it.

what most people are ticked about is welfare and benefits going to the udocumented, is not racial deal is a pocketbook issue.

Fantomas said...

Hola Mat , are you trying to ignore Mr Fantomas

It wont work

I am here for the long haul, until you close down this blog

Hasta el ultimo dia Mat , I be here

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

So you want everybody to run from Obama into McCain's camp?

Me too.

Not because he's a Republican but because he isn't Hillary or Obama.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

corgiguy,


I do not live in a diverse state such as California. I live in a red republican racist state. And unfortunately, it is all about race i.e., Spanish speakers. Hate crimes in my city are up 20-fold in the last year alone. Mostly conservative good ole boy attacking innocent "legal" immigrants, well, because they are Spanish immigrants.

I talk some here and there, but i would never engage in what these conservative racist are inflicting on innocent Spanish speakers in my community. On the contrary, i would jump in and kick the living shit out of the republicans, well, because, they are republicans.

But, unfortunately, the republican anti-spanish hatemongers have gotten their base so whipped up in a frenzy, that the results are inevitable.

Ms Calabaza said...

John,
life is short.

Why did you choose to move to a small town in a "red" state full of distasteful,racist republicans? This, after you had a horrible experience with those pesky, racist Cuban-Americans in Miami? Seems to me, if I were you I'd look into moving to Portland or Madison or Boston because like I said, life is short. . .

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

ms. calabaza,


Because i am originally from here. These racist republicans are my friends and family. And i cannot disown them, as they are a part of me.

My military experience that introduced me to different cultures and struggles. And that experience snatched me from the clutches of the dark side of the republican party.

The same republican party that destroyed our military, the finest institution in the world.

No, i hate the republican party, but i love my friends and family members who are republicans, save their vicious racism, iraq war, and their pro-Bush loving crap!!

Ms Calabaza said...

john,
First, I am an Independent (have been for years). I agree that Bush's policies have been awful and have hurt the military. However, things are not always so simple. Clinton dismantled the military and did incredible damage also. I have a family member who retired during this era as a commander in the Navy. He had wanted to stay but after the political crap that went on during the Clinton years including the tail-hook scandal, he decided it was time for him to make some money in the private sector. It was not just him but many experienced qualified officers left at that time.

Sadly, there is no good/bad, black/white in this issue many are to blame for the situation we are in.

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john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

ms.calabaza,

Actually, if went back beyond Clinton. You will see that it was George H. Bush who actually started downsizing the military after the fall of the Soviet Union.
It was termed the "peace dividend."

Second, America's war machine worked fine against the vaunted former Yugoslovian war machine. Actually Clinton's military was actually Reagan's war machine. If you want to be technical about it.

As for the tail hook scandel. They were US Navy officers who demonstrated conduct unbecoming a military officers. And should have left the military if their code of conduct fell beneath that standard.

Nevertheless, it is good to see that there is at least "one" Cuban-American who thinks Bush's presidency was harmful to our nation.

But then again, it was Cuban-Americans who put Bush in the white house as punishment for America, because of the deportation of Elian Gonzales.

And indeed, America was punished!!

Ms Calabaza said...

John,
good point about Bush I and the "peace dividend". I believe the reason that Cuban-Americans have consistently voted for Republicans has to do with their view that Democrats have not been tough enough in foreign policy. The Carter years scared many Cuban-Americans who had voted Democrat for the first time. Republican politicians have known how to pander to that quite well.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Ms. calabaza,

Democrats were the party that fought the communist in Korea. Democrats were the party that fought the communist in Vietnam. And Democrats were the party who fought the communist in the Balkans.

Democrats were the party that instituted the freedom flights for Cubans. Democrats were party that open America arms during the Mariel boatlift. And Democrats were the ones that said that if any Cuban sets one foot in America, they get automatic citizenship. Note: this is the only type policy in the entire WORLD!!

Yet, the Cuban immigrant absolutely despises any and all Democrats. Even those Democrats that try and fail in regards to the Cuban issue. Worse, they try to peddle that it is the Democrats that are the anti-spanish party, and not the racist republicans like Newt, Dobbs, Trancredo, and Limbaugh. And who is the Cuban-American supreme hero, that they worship like a God, George W. Bush. Why? Because Bush merely "talks" about a free Cuba. LOL

Self-loathing, no honor, no pride, and no self-respect!!

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

The Cuban-American senator from New Jersey, Bob Menéndez, is a Democrat. Cubans do not always vote Republican. Sometimes they just vote Cuban.

Ms Calabaza said...

John,
like I said the Republican Cuban-American candidates have been brilliant in pandering to this segment of the community.

Here's my thought. Gore was a viable candidate but (well, let's not rehash 2000) but Kerry was a horrible candidate for the Dems. Right now, even though this should be a clear sail-in for the Dems, the two candidates are cannibalizing each other. Hillary is basically not liked or trusted and Obama is more left than the average Democrat in the country. The blue collar backbone Democrat in this country has no representation.

Since the last election I've been saying the Democrats need a moderate as their candidate. We need to have someone who is non-partisan and can work with the other party. I don't see that happening.

BTW,
I believe Cuban-Americans in Miami would gladly vote in a Democrat if they felt they were being represented well. For example, Bob Graham was governor of Florida, how many years?

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

ms. calabaza,


True, but i remember reading Babulu, when they called Menedez a communist, because he wasnt a Republican. They werent proud that there was a 2nd Cuban-American senator. They were ashamed of him, because he wore a D instead of a R.

Having said that, i am proud of Menedez. Another Cuban-American with a set, who is unashamed of being a Cuban. Menedez doesnt run from the fact that he is a Cuban. Rather, like Raul Martinez, he proudly wears his Cubaness on his sleeve. A Cuban immigrant who is unashamed of who God made him, always gets my respect, regardless of their politics. It is the self-loathing Cuban-Americans like Henry Gomez and Val Prieto that disgust me.

Moreover, most Cuban-Americans outside of Miami are in fact Democrats. As i am sure that they have felt the sting of republican racism, jinned up by their local anti-Spanish republican politician. And therefore, the Cuban Democrat/independent finds it impossible to pimp themselves out to republican bigots who hate them because of their Spanish heritage, their Spanish tongue, or their Spanish last name.

Only in Miami, does one find Cubans who are ashamed of being Cuban. And willing to sell out their Cuban heritage, in order to be thought a good George W. Bush lover!!

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

ms calabaza said: I believe Cuban-Americans in Miami would gladly vote in a Democrat if they felt they were being represented well. For example, Bob Graham was governor of Florida, how many years?





Ha, no well in hell will the Cuban-American community in Miami "ever" vote Democrat. Even a very well respected and competent Cuban-American Cuban Democrat like Raul Martinez does like stand a chance against a phoney self-loathing Cuban like Balart.

It is too bad too, because the Cuban-American community in Miami is a hard-working community. And they are absolutely getting decimated with the soaring cost of living in Miami.

It is also too bad that if they step foot outside of America, and brag that they were one of the Cuban-Americans that helped elect Bush in 2000, that they would probably be set upon. This applies to all nations, even Great Britian.

The Cuban-Americans have placed this ugly legacy forever around the necks of their children, and grandchildren as a burden to carry for generations.

Only in Miami, can the Cuban-American sit safely and make the statement that they helped elect this most horrific President named George W. Bush.

But then again, the election of Bush in Miami, was "supposed" to be "punishment" for America. And the Cubans in Miami told us, "never to forget that they had single-handedly elect Bush."

Well, congratulations, the world will never forget, or forgive. Unfortunately for the Cuban-American community, it is a community that will always be tied to George W. Bush!!

Ms Calabaza said...

John,
I could be wrong but I think Menendez was born in this country of Puerto Rican parents.

I sense your anger towards Bush but do you really believe the very small Cuban-American population is the only reason he won the election? I don't think so. Like I said, the Democrats shot themselves in the foot when they nominated John Kerry as their candidate, a patrician northeastern liberal snob with one of the worst records in the Senate. (He was AWOL for most of the time he was there).

John, there was a congressman in, Miami Claude Pepper (Democrat) who was re-elected I don't know how many times. Bill Nelson, keeps winning year after year (another Democrat) and I could be wrong but Steve Clark (former mayor for many terms was also a Democrat).
I think you do yourself a disservice when you lump a whole group of people together. (We all do that to a certain extent, but you seem to be "intransigent" ~ to borrow a Babalu term about your opinion of Cuban-Americans.

We have all had bad experiences by one person of a certain ethnicity but you can't summarily judge a whole nationality over whatever unfortunate incident happened to you.

I have friends in Miami who are of Irish-American descent who love living there so much they have learned to speak Spanish. I have a very, very close dear friend originally from Brooklyn, New York who is a conservative jew and loves the Cuban culture and speaks a bit of Spanish. So, I guess I don't understand how you can say that you are an open-minded person and not like your "racist-republican" family when your prejudice is appears to be towards Cubans.

I don't get it.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

ms. calabaza,


Ok, here is my evolution, which is quite common for liberals/open-minded people who tried to live among republican Cuban-Americans in Miami.

Ok, i grew up rebeling against my racist republican family. If they said right, i said left, if they said up, i said down.

I went off to the Army, became interested in different cultures and their struggles, which we came a part of. Had many foreign girlfriends, as i still prefer them over the selfish American girl, especially Spanish girls.

I saw communism as a result of a "Democratic" president, who wanted to kill it forever in Europe. And indeed, Clinton did kill communism in the Balkans.

Came back sure in my convictions and liberal belief system. Got tired of my redneck, backward republican uncultured state. Wanted to recapture that foreign experience that helped shaped me while i was in the military. So i mistakenly chose Miami. Thinking that i was escaping narrow-minded, intolerant republicans. Only to find the same thing in Miami, except unlike back home, the Cuban-American republican actually "hated" me, "only" because i didnt like Bush.

In fact the very first Cuban-American i ever met in my life was Val Prieto in the Miami Cuban Connection. It was a site that i was researching about my new city that i moved to of Miami.

Well, of course, Val immediately started spitting all kinds of venom out towards me. Calling me a commie, an asshole, a jerk. I was stunned, as i had spent nine months in a filfthy Bosnian foxhole. And never would have thought that Cuban-Americans thought of me like that, merely because i didnt like Bush. Knowing as well, that no republican back home would dare level such a charge at me.

But Val was just the beginning, as there was many more that i would eventually meet like that in Miami.

Well, naturally my open-minded, liberal beliefs began to be chipped away. The forces of the republican Cuban-Americans who hated me, the republican red state republican anti-spanish rhetoric, and my friends and family back home who said, "we told you so," all began to work as one dark and ugly force.

So here i am, an ex-Democrat. One who still at his core rejects the subliminal anti-Spanish message of the Republican party. But one who understands that the republicans may actually have a point about immigration. A point that is tragically amplified by the very Cuban-Americans that the racist republican bigots quietly demonize.

And then of course, you have Mat and Cigar Mike who peddle this Obama is a racist crap. Hiding the "real" racist republicans like Trancredo and Newt. And falsely making Obama out to be a racist when he isnt.

Unfortunately, many ex-Miamian Democrats learn a nasty lesson from "some" Cuban-Americans in Miami. That Cuban-Americans are very adept at making enemies where there were only friends before.

For i to be a weaker man, without the foreign cultures that i experienced in the military. I surely, would have left Miami, as nearly "all" other ex-Miamians a red-state republican bigot.

So if Mat, and Cigar Mike want to create an anti-Spanish bigot in Obama. I say let them. As it wont be the first time, nor the last time that they created a bigot, where there was none before.


Sincerely,

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

John:

This last "autobiographical" comment was priceless as a summation of the man and the thinker.

I do seem to recall, however, that once you had a decided preference for Hispanic females. Your courtship of A.T. on Miami's Cuban Connection is one of the more memorable moments in that extinct blog's history.

Can you explain your change of heart to our disappointed female readers.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Actually, i still do have a preference for Spanish girls. In fact i dated an Equadorian girl, when i lived in Miami. She was actually anti-bush, but very pro-cuban, and very anti-communist.

I only take issue with the Cuban-American politics, and not the people themselves. It takes thought to distinguish beween the two, but it is necessary. At least for me.

Vana said...

John:

First of all I live in California not in Miami, I don't agree with many things in the Republican party, the same with the Democratic party, but you must choose a party to vote for or your vote wont count, if you don't vote for either party, you may as well put it in the trash, that's the problem with being independent.

BTW #1 I pay taxes
#2 I follow American laws
#3 I speak English
#4 I celebrate 4th of July
so then what is your problem, not all Cuban Americans are Val Prietos

CorgiGuy said...

Vana

independents usually vote for the candidate that makes more sense to them, either republican or democrat.

i use to vote republican but bush and his cronies set me free so i'm now and independent.

John

man you need to rid yourself of stereotyping. you had a bad experience with some folks in miami get over it, there's bigots in every race group.

Agustin Farinas said...

Dear John,
obviously you failed miserably in understanding the satire of my remarks in the comment I posted.
The comment about "pesky and undesirable" Cubans was in reference to you! All of your comments referencing Cubans (at least in this blog) have revealed in all their glory your comtempt for us. So be it.
Who gives an airborne fornication what you think about us? I certainly don't give a rodent's behind about your racist opinion of us. I have met people like you by the hundreds in the US during my travels in many states. I just plain and simple ignore them, because they come out of the mouths of ignorants. You are just another one of those ignorant people. Prejudice and fear of people different than us has its roots in ignorance. That might explain the reason you moved to a red state as you call them. Good for you. Please do us all a favor and stay there.
For someone who despises Cubans so much, you seem to spend an extraordinary amount of time mingling with us in this blog. I wonder why.

Signed Another self loathing Cuban. (LOL)

Vana said...

Corgiguy:

I thought independent meant voting for Ralph Nader..lol..you may has well not vote.