Wednesday, April 30, 2008

Barack Obama Refuses to Denounce Rev. Wright

In his "Speech on Race" (which he now always calls his "Philadelphia Speech"), Barack Obama said that he would no more disown Rev. Jeremiah Wright than he would disown his 85-year-old white grandmother, and then proceeded to denounce his grandmother as a bigot comparable to Wright, which both diminishes Wright's bigotry by a mile and elevates his grandmother's exponentially. After all, his poor grandmother's only "sin" is that she is afraid of black youths who follow her from the supermarket. I think if white youths were following her home she would probably be afraid too. But no matter, grandma can sleep save tonight. The grandson that she raised when his parents abandoned him did not disown her yesterday. Nor did Obama disown Reverend Wright.

Once again, Barack Obama has denounced Wright's comments, but not the man. In fact, he makes this distinction clear himself: "I've already denounced [Wright's] comments that had appeared in previous sermons." Denounced the comments, that is, not the sermons, much less the reverend. In fact, when Obama delivered his Speech on Race, in Philadelphia, he admits that he "gave [Wright] the benefit of the doubt." So, as late as a month ago, Obama admits that he still "had doubts" that Wright's comments were "divisive and destructive." It is only now that Wright has challenged his own honesty and suggested that any criticisms which Obama has made of him were motivated solely by political expediency does Obama feel compelled to label Wrights comments as "destructive." "Destructive" to whom? Well, to Obama.

Even now, after Wright's most recent remarks, Obama feels the compulsion to praise him: "He's done enormous good in the church, he's built a wonderful congregation." That was at the start of his "denunciation." At the end he had this to say: "I continue to believe that Rev. Wright has been a leader of the South Side [of Chicago]. I think that the church he built is outstanding. I think he has preached in the past some wonderful sermons. He provided, you know, valuable contributions to my family."

Denunciation should be made of firmer stuff.

Obama is even willing to admit the possibility that Wright may have acted without malice in his "performance." Although he acknowledges that "there has been great damage," Obama stills believes that "it may have been unintentional on his part."

In other words, the man may be personally blameless. Still.

Then who's to blame?

The media (well, that's refreshing, at least).

Why?

Because they aired (or "triggered," as he puts it) "the initial round of sound bites" which were "a simplification of who [Wright] was, a caricature of who he was..." Well, it is true that a mere sound bite cannot convey the whole of Wright's perverse world view. But is that the same as "caricaturing" him. With his own words? Obviously, in Obama's opinion, Wright was a man done wrong by the media until the day when he actually questioned Obama's veracity. On that day, Obama says, Wright "caricatured himself." Still, though, Obama says that "made [him] angry, but also made [him] sad." Like a disappointed but still dutiful son, Obama blames Wright "for not showing enough concern for [him]." It is that anguish, more than anything else, that was on display in Obama's speech yesterday. How could Wright have done such a thing to him?

Obama claims not to have known about Wright's allegation that the U.S. government created AIDS to destroy the black community (gay men, too perhaps?) and other "divisive and destructive comments" which the reverend has made over the years. Obama has known Wright personally for 20 years and sat in the pew of his church for 15. He even used the title of one of Wright's sermons as the title for his own autobiography. Hard to think of a greater homage to one's mentor, pastor and surrogate father than to use the title of one of his sermons to define his own life and mission, though, now, Obama claims that Wright "does not speak for him." He obviously spoke to him and for him in the past when no one was challenging Wright's remarks or using them against him (Obama).

132 comments:

Rick said...

Let's see, "Manuel." This isn't about Cuba or Cuban-Americans and it isn't about blogs.

I think you really need to start a new blog. Maybe something along the lines of, "Things I Think About When I'm Not Thinking About Babalu and Rick."

.

Anonymous said...

lol

Anonymous said...

Wow, Mat you really going to let that country good ole boy, tobacco-spitting, redneck bigot come in here and boss you around like that?

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

Defeating Obama is a priority of RCAB and has always been since its inception.

Obama has said that he will negotiate with Castro without prior conditions. That is, while he's in the room with Raúl they could be torturing a political prisoner in the adjoining room and it would make no difference to him at all. Of course, it would make no difference to you either.

Since you closed down SotP you have not been mentioned on RCAB. Indeed, the only time I have anything to do with you is when you visit here since I don't visit your blog. "Obsessions" should be made of firmer stuff.

Anonymous said...

Now that is the manuel that i know. This is your house.

CorgiGuy said...

ok, mat i see where this is headed. rcab is going to calll for a full investigation of every sermon that obama listen to in that black church.

we need to account for everyword he heard, full disclosure. let's have the patriot network get on it right away. oreilly and hannity can analyze it, for us, i hear they are fair balanced. then and only then we will know if hussein is a real christian.

Agustin Farinas said...

"I will sit down to talk with anyone because we need to talk to our enemies just like we do with our friends" Obama.
Sounds to me like he is a good disciple of Neville Chamberlain and we know how he is regarded today by most historians: a stupid fool.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

corgiguy:

Your man Obama claims that he sat in church for 15 years and never listened to Rev. Wrights's sermons, and, consequently, waited this long to denounce them as "divisive and destructive" and distance himself from him.

Sure, that sounds plausible.

It is more likely that he never objected in 15 years to the content of Wright's sermons because he found nothing in them objectionable.

Fantomas said...

Mat dijo erroneamente

Obama has said that he will negotiate with Castro without prior conditions

you are lying MAT, you took him out of context. What he is saying is that in order to break the ice , the US must sit down to talk to the cubans at a higher level

It is then when he will listen in the negotiation table and act acccordingly.. cuando sea su turno el hablara de las libertade politicas, presos politicos, more reforms etc.... dando y dando siempre y cuando respetando la soberania cubana que sera lo que Raul le dira a Obama..

Mat esto no es nuevo, los cubanos no haran ningun cambio de gobierno out of the blue ni can obama ni con ma cain , ni con reagan fuera de la tumba , ni con clinton , con nadie

Lo he dicho anteriormente nosotros los cubanos tendremos que morir en las calles con tremendos baños de sangre para poder sacar a los mafiosos de alli

Si gana Mac Cain tambien perderiamos, con un Cold World mentality no pasara nada for the next 50 years..

A quien prefiero en este caso , al que se sienta y habla no al que huye y no habla


ENTIENDALO DE UNA VEZ , IT IS SO EASY

y no soy Democrata , I am a natural born Republican just in case

CorgiGuy said...

mat

by your logic we should have every catholic politician denounce the priest pedopholia in the catholic church, every morman politician denounce polygaymy. what about mccain's preachers haggee, parsly, robertson this guys are just as wacky and scary as wright. where does it end?

religion and politics don't mix

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Mat,


I wasnt even going to bother to respond to this post. But since everyone is writing what i think. Here goes, i dont mind if Obama sits down and talks with Castro or Raul.

After 8 years of Bush's indifference, i think anything is better than Bush's inaction.

Of course, if the site of Air Force sitting on the tarmac in Havana will be riots in the streets of Miami. And yes, Miami Cubans will make fools of themselves on the world's stage "again." But it is not about you exiles anymore. You turned your back on your nation when you and your parents fled.

To be quite frank, Cuba's freedom is no longer none of your business. Particularly, if you have no interest of living there ever again!!

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

That was supposed to read Air Force One sitting on the tarmac of Havana.

Fantomas said...

"Engaging is better than nothing"

fantomas abril 30, 2008

Fantomas said...

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=215547&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16

oin the meantime US companies losing out

will obama stop this?

Fantomas said...

Of course, if the site of Air Force sitting on the tarmac in Havana will be riots in the streets of Miami.

No riots long john, cubans are smarter than you think

Fantomas said...

Defeating Obama is a priority of RCAB and has always been since its inception.

Mat te pareces al Quijote luchando contra los molinos de viento

You are alone on this one

Fantomas said...

mat dijo sarcasticamente

That is, while he's in the room with Raúl they could be torturing a political prisoner in the adjoining room and it would make no difference to him at all.

this is el segundo comentario mas estupido and infantil que yo haya leido aqui en RCAB Nation

Fantomas said...

Mat it seems you will have another 100 comments on this one leave it for 3 days like the previous one

Your rocking the CA blogsphere

You are the man

wow

Fantomas said...

today by most historians: a stupid fool

Aqui el unico fool eres tu fariñas

CorgiGuy said...

fanto

is all for the love of dolcemea, where's sancho?

Fantomas said...

Mat do you have a double life?

te me estas pareciendo al señor de austria que tenia a su hija encerrada por 24 años y le saco 7 hijos

Who do you have in your basement MAT?

Grumpy old man

Squathole said...

Manny: I was treated to an entirely different perspective on Rev White's remarks (and strategy) yesterday, which I blogged today.

Fantomas said...

mat no me habla hace 5 dias, iam trying to get him mad a ver si le saco aunque sea una palabra

el bien sabe that i need attention and iam not getting it now from him

he must know this by now

algo raro le pasa a MAt, a quien tendra escondido en el basement de su casa?

CorgiGuy said...

Move over Pastor Wright, meet mccain spiritual advisor
see video

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

fantamos said: No riots long john, cubans are smarter than you think


The Miami Cubans rioted in the streets during Elian Gonzales. Causing millions of dollars of damages for the American taxpayer to pay for.


Yes, a President Obama in Havana demanding to see Biscet, and demanding freedom for Cuba will certainly send the Miami Cubans into street riots!!

CorgiGuy said...

Ok if parsley isn't wacky enough, here another mccain's pastor Watch Video

What say you RCAB Nation?

Fantomas said...

Yes, a President Obama in Havana demanding to see Biscet, and demanding freedom for Cuba will certainly send the Miami Cubans into street riots!!

Sorry I do not see that ever happening

we must work hard with the obama camp to make sure they act tough once they get to havana

more freedoms por all cubans, release of ALL political prisoners, end of acts of repudiation in order for the embargo to be lifted

Fantomas said...

fantamos said

john please correct your vocabulary it is not fantamos

It is FANTOMAS

you dont want me to call you long john yellow caca dobbs

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

fantamos said: Mat it seems you will have another 100 comments on this one leave it for 3 days like the previous one

Your rocking the CA blogsphere

You are the man

wow





I predicted that Mat's blog would be the giant of the giants in the Cuban blogisphere.

It is very simple. Free speech blogs thrive, moderated blogs die.

I diagree with Mat on nearly most issues. But, unlike other Cuban-themed blogs. Manuel understands and fosters freedom of speech. And doesnt work to repress or stifle an exchange of ideas, opinions, and speech.

And this is precisely why RCAB will be the blog the world turns to when a free Cuba explodes on the world's stage!!

Anonymous said...

Mat who is your internet nemesis?

Anonymous said...

lol

Dulcinea said...

Mat have you seen Sancho?

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

an asshole said: john please correct your vocabulary it is not fantamos

It is FANTOMAS





I dont give a fat frog's ass how to spell your silly ass name. You will learn the hard way that i have my very own vocubulary!!

Fantomas said...

Spell it correctly fool


it makes you caca

more respect

Vana said...

I don't trust a man who denounces what he believes just to save himself, he claims not to have known of his preacher's speeches..lol..quite laughable.

Reminds one of Speer claiming he never sat at Himmler's final solution speech, sorry I don't trust him, and I don't trust preachers.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Respect is earned, not given!!

Fantomas said...

who do you trust then Vana?

Mc Cain, the US Gov, Raul, Manuel, Fantomas

Fantomas said...

ok caca dobbs you wanted it that way

Anonymous said...

respect is earned, jajaja

in that case, Fantamos will never get any!

nonee moose said...

Of course, if the site of Air Force [One] sitting on the tarmac in Havana will be riots in the streets of Miami.

As long as they don't burn down Versailles...

MAT, just curious... Say Obama called you up and asked you to script a repudiation of Wright for him, and that you agreed (just, go along, huh?). What would you write Wright?

Esteban Colvert said...

You guys don't get it. McCain's trio of aces (aka Parsley, Robertson & Hagee) will always trump Obama's single spade. I forget who said "yeah he's an S.O.B, but he's our S.O.B!" Let's not kid if your mind is made up nothing is going to change it (even reality). That being said, if the Reverend could get that pesky R out his last name things be better or at least he could make it "wight".

Fantomas said...

in that case, Fantamos will never get any!


Oh yeah , i get plenty of that here

the thing is that you dont notice it

but i do

thanks to all

"Fantomas already an institution in the CA blogsphere"

Fantomas is my hero said...

El malvado Fantomas, tiene mil caras y es capaz de envenenar y transformarse en cualquier cosa.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

estaban said: You guys don't get it. McCain's trio of aces (aka Parsley, Robertson & Hagee) will always trump Obama's single spade. I forget who said "yeah he's an S.O.B, but he's our S.O.B!" Let's not kid if your mind is made up nothing is going to change it (even reality). That being said, if the Reverend could get that pesky R out his last name things be better or at least he could make it "wight





Dude, they totally understand this. That was my point, except, i used the analogy of racist republicans, which Mat seems to ignore.

And yes, if Obama were a Republican, Wright, would be right!!

The only reason why i even bother to argue this double-standard. Is that i think it is unfair for Obama to be painted as an anti-spanish bigot, when he is one of those "rare" Americans who is in fact not an anti-Spanish bigot.

Anonymous said...

This blog is so much better than Babulu.

ljf take your sermon elsewhere said...

ljf why dont you become a member of mr wright's church

I got your ass boy

Anonymous said...

val prieto= chivato

Anonymous said...

47 comments and growing strong

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

esteban colvert:

It was FDR who said that about the elder Somoza.

McCain's preachers are not his mentors or surrogate fathers. They are certainly not as important to him as his 93-year-old mother.

Obama's sole living ancestor is the 85-year-old (white) grandmother who raised him. He actually equates her to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

As for your joke, Rev. Wright is pretty near white. In fact he is the spitting image of Trujillo. In most Latin American countries he would be considered white. Perhaps that's why he tries harder.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

fantomas:

I believe that I said it was Longfellow who was an "institution in the Cuban-American blogosphere." Of you I would be more inclined to say that you are in the institution rather than an institution.

Can't complain now that I've been ignoring you.

Fantomas said...

finally salistes del basement

ya le diste comida a tu hija y a los 7 niños?

Fantomas said...

"El malvado Fantomas, tiene mil caras y es capaz de envenenar y transformarse en cualquier cosa"

no te olvides lo que dijo un fanatico mio a couple of comments ago

Fantomas said...

Sorry Mat , it took yo too long to respond me

ya no vale

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

noone:

As per your request:

"I curse the man himself and everything he has ever said in his miserable life and I regret ever having been such a fool as to consider him my mentor. And I am humbly ashamed of ever having compared him to the only human being on earth who has always been there for me, my maternal grandmother."

CorgiGuy said...

mat, you are tap dancing with the pastors.

wright said god dammed america with 911, hagge says god dammned new orleans with katrina.

Haggee get's free ride because new orelans is mainly black. that's maccain's spiritual advisor.

Ride on Sancho

Fantomas said...

save your words

they wont do you any good

not kinder or gentler today

lo siento

Fantomas said...

mat, you are tap dancing with the pastors.


Corgy , he is dancing with the wolves

Anonymous said...

Babulu=nest of chivatos

Fantomas said...

Mc Cain se poncha otra vez... que clase de anormal, dios mio perdonadlo

Cold war mentality

El aspirante republicano a la Casa Blanca, John McCain, dijo que, de ser presidente, sólo dialogará con el gobierno cubano si celebra elecciones libres, y añadió que impulsará el comercio con América Latina para aplacar el antiamericanismo en la región.

El senador por Arizona descartó, en una entrevista concedida a la agencia EFE, la posibilidad de entablar un diálogo con el gobierno de Raúl Castro, si se embarca en un proceso de reformas económicas similares a las de China y Vietnam, dos regímenes comunistas con los que Washington mantiene relaciones.

"Iniciaré un diálogo después de que haya elecciones libres, se libere a los presos políticos y las organizaciones humanitarias no gubernamentales existan y puedan operar", dijo McCain.

"Cuba es un estado patrocinador del terrorismo y me preocupa que cualquier sistema que no cumpla esos requisitos pueda apuntalar el régimen de (Raúl) Castro (...) y permitir que continúe la opresión al pueblo cubano", añadió.

McCain, que ha expresado su preocupación durante los últimos años por el creciente antiamericanismo en Latinoamérica, opinó que el antídoto contra esa tendencia es el "libre comercio".

Apuntó que la mayoría de los problemas de la región están relacionados con la "falta de progreso económico".

"Uno de los motivos de que algunos movimientos populistas se hayan hecho con el poder (en Latinoamérica) es la frustración de la gente con la economía", dijo.

El republicano expresó su interés en alcanzar "algún día" un acuerdo de libre comercio para todo el continente.

En esa línea, se mostró partidario del Tratado de Libre Comercio (TLC) con Colombia, suscrito en noviembre de 2006 y pendiente de ratificación por el Congreso estadounidense.

Los demócratas, que controlan el legislativo, han bloqueado la votación hasta que Colombia demuestre más logros en la lucha contra la violencia de que son víctimas los sindicalistas en el país y se aprueben medidas para proteger a los trabajadores estadounidenses de los efectos negativos de la globalización.

"Es vergonzoso que los demócratas hayan bloqueado la aprobación del acuerdo", afirmó McCain, quien dijo esperar que los votantes rechacen en las elecciones del 4 de noviembre "el proteccionismo y aislacionismo" del Partido Demócrata.

El senador de 71 años, que de ganar las elecciones se convertiría en el presidente de mayor edad a su llegada a la Casa Blanca, dijo que sus rivales demócratas, Barack Obama y Hillary Clinton, tienen "poca experiencia y no entienden los desafíos" que afronta el país.

Colocó a la cabeza de esos desafíos la situación económica, el factor que, a su juicio, será "decisivo" en noviembre, seguido de la seguridad nacional.

"Nuestra economía afronta grandes dificultades y necesitamos solucionarlas y yo las solucionaré" sin recurrir a una gran intervención gubernamental, dijo.

McCain, que según los expertos ha iniciado un progresivo alejamiento del impopular gobierno del presidente George W. Bush, acusó a la actual Casa Blanca de haber hecho gastos "fuera de control" durante los últimos años, que han dañado "muy seriamente" la economía.

El senador reiteró también su compromiso con una reforma migratoria integral en Estados Unidos, aunque precisó que la prioridad debe de ser asegurar las fronteras y después buscar una vía para legalizar a los alrededor de 12 millones de indocumentados, muchos de ellos latinoamericanos, que hay en el país.

"Fracasamos a la hora de alcanzar una reforma integral porque los estadounidenses quieren primero seguridad en las fronteras", destacó el senador, quien dijo que una vez solucionado esto, se podrá avanzar en el diseño de programas de trabajo temporales y en solucionar el problema de los indocumentados.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

corgiguy said: Haggee get's free ride because new orelans is mainly black. that's maccain's spiritual advisor.



No, New Orleans is still an American city. One that Americans soldiers have fought and died for.

Personally, i dont care what surrogates have to say. If Trancredo, or Newt acts as Mccain's advisor, it doesnt make Mccain anti-Spanish.

Fulano de Cal said...

I am hoping that if Obama sits down to talk with Castro, he does not hear the screaming of Cubans exiles in Miami. Instead, I hope he hears the screams of the thousands of Cuban children who have drowned in the Florida straits, just like their parents did before they perished too, as well as the thousands of gunshots heard by patriots facing away from the paredon. Maybe this will add some perspective to the meeting.

Ms Calabaza said...

Corgi,
I think the distinction is this:

The 3 wingnut preachers you mention are simply endorsements. Now, you are sophisticated enough to understand that McCain needs as much of the evangelical vote he can get. Sure, he's gonna take that and more, especially after what happened to him in So. Carolina in 2000. Bush threw him under the bus precisely by using these folks.

BIG DIFFERENCE #1:

These guys are NOT his preachers, he did not sit and listed to the babble for 15 years.

BIG DIFFERENCE #2:

McCain never had these wingnuts marry him; baptize his children; bless his home and pray with him before his announcement for candidacy. McCain hardly knows these kooks and this is clearly politics as usual.

By the way, MSNBC (hardly Fox News) this morning announced that Rev. Wright's posse yesterday was The Nation of Islam. If that doesn't show you who this guy is . . . and you really believe Obama never knew about Wright's beliefs and allegances? C'mon.

CorgiGuy said...

john

of course new orleans is american city. there's double standard here, when a white preacher says somehting outragesous, the media doesn't jump on it, the black preacher something just as wacky and obama needs to explain everyword.

you tell me double standard?

Ms Calabaza said...

"Our congregation stood in solidarity with the peasants in El Salvador and Nicaragua, while our government, through Ollie North and the Iran-Contra scandal, was supporting the Contras, who were killing the peasants and the Miskito Indians in those two countries." ~ Rev. Wright, National Press Club Speech Transcript.

Nice! Oh yea, I'm gonna vote for him . . . {sarcasm}

Ms Calabaza said...

P.S. - I meant to say . . . oh yea, I'm gonna vote for Obama . . .

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

corgiguy:

It is very biblical to suggest that God sends down plagues, fires and floods to smite those who break his commandments. He does that a lot in the Bible.

However, unless one has received a personal revelation from God, as the writers of the Bible claimed, it is neither wise nor prudent to attribute natural or manmade disasters to God's agency.

I doubt very much, however, that McCain ever thought of Haggee as his mentor in matters religious or political and much less as his surrogate father.

CorgiGuy said...

ms c

let's reason together here. all this preachers are wacky, i'm not defending any of them.

but if we are going to criticize obama for his preacher, mccain is fair game his preachers are just as wacky if not more.

i listen to alot bable in church for many years. raised catholic, i'm going to have to repent for the pedophiles in that church. Let's get real here!

Ms Calabaza said...

"Now, I am not going to put down Louis Farrakhan anymore than Mandela would put down Fidel Castro. Do you remember that Ted Koppel show, where Ted wanted Mandela to put down Castro because Castro was our enemy? And he said, “You don’t tell me who my enemies are. You don’t tell me who my friends are.”

Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery. And he didn’t make me this color."

This, is what this Rev is about. If a political candidate regardless of race, nationality or zodiac sign considers this man his "spiritual mentor"; uses one of his sermons as the title of his own book ~ The Audicity of Hope ~ and only denounces him when he (the candidate) is personally attacked; I cannot trust him nor would I consider voting for him. Sorry, but this has nothing to do with race.

CorgiGuy said...

look rcab nation, you don't like obama that's fair, crticize him on his policies, foreign or domestic his senate record his position on cuba.

but when you are start criticizing a man's religion you are entering the abusurd.

Ms Calabaza said...

Corgi,

I'm not putting down his religion. Christianity. Would you vote for a guy who admires Daniel Ortega? Chavez? Castro? Hitler? It is important to look at the whole picture of the man. I don't know about you but I could not sit through 20 years of this victimization tripe. BTW, I am also a recovering Catholic and am as disgusted with the Vatican as I am with the Rev. Wright. I, however stopped showing up to the sermons years ago.

CorgiGuy said...

ms c, i'm just pointing out what it seems like a double standard. i don't have horse in this race. i'm an independent. i'm not endorsing any candidate.

i started this journey last year with ron paul, then obama caught my attention, i guest i like the underdogs the non-conformists.

If you don't like obama, don't vote for him, is a free country.

when it gets down to voting time, i'll vote for whoever is addressing my issues, you know my pocketbook.

Esteban Colvert said...

M A T,

You know I respect you but Obama was thrust into an untennable situation. Meanwhile McCain had to go out of his way to court the 3stooges (seriously listen to them they are scary). I guess that makes him a typical "The Prince" reading and following politico. As for Wright's near whiteness if someone's daughter should show at the house with him I don't believe (unless they were darker than him) that they'd think he was going to "mejorar la raza"! I'm glad you're such an advocate of free speech as long as that's in play there's hope.

2Humid said...

Corgi,
we probably have a lot more in common than the reverse. I'm glad that MaT gives us the venue to kick around our thoughts. . . truthfully, I am not happy with any candidate this year and eventually, like you I'll try to make the best decision at the ballot box.

Take care.

2Humid said...

Fantomas,
you gonna vote for Obama?

Agustin Farinas said...

Fantomas,
I am not in the habit anymore of answering your stupid remarks, but the only fool by everyone's standards is YOU.
So, your concern is that American companies are losing business?
How classy of you! And you claim that you are a born Republican, but continuosly praise Obama?
Please spare us your asinine opinions. You know absolutley nothing, because you are a complete idiot. Go read your first book and try getting an education before opnening you big mouth and stop talking about subjects you know nothing about.

Ms Calabaza said...

Corgi,
I am an independent also but I am just frustrated with the choice of candidates we have this year.
Don't think I'm thrilled with McCain . . . trust me, but I won't vote for Obama for the reasons stated.

Nice debating with ya.

PS - thanks MaT for freedom to vent.

CorgiGuy said...

ms c, humid

yeah, i'm with you guys on being able to express ourselves freely. and mat is to be commended for creating this space and allowing it ( thank you mr t). i know must drive him nuts because our politics are so different.

i'm pretty much a libertarian on my politics, live and let live. i guest is that western califonia influence does to you.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

corgiguy,


The double standard i was referring to is how Mat is not upset that racist republicans that advise Mccain, like Trancedo and Newt. And how Mat is upset that Wright advises Obama, or used to, or whatever they do. That double standard.

nonee moose said...

Thank you, MAT.

We'll see if others think he went far enough.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Nice! Oh yea, I'm gonna vote for him . . . {sarcasm}

4/30/2008 2:00 PM


Ms Calabaza said...
P.S. - I meant to say . . . oh yea, I'm gonna vote for Obama




LOL, no you got it right the first time. Most people think that Wright is actually a Presidential candidate.

Ms Calabaza said...

john,

check RCAB's archives. MaT has slammed Tancredo and Newt for their views on immigration many times. In fact, I don't remember ever reading MaT's endorsement of any candidate this year.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

coriguy said: yeah, i'm with you guys on being able to express ourselves freely. and mat is to be commended for creating this space and allowing it ( thank you mr t).





Yah, i concur, and all in the face of vicious attacks by Babulu. But unlike Oscar, Mat would not let Babulu bring down another successful Cuban-themed blog!!

Ms Calabaza said...

john,
if I hung around with people that you disdain (the rightwing Cuban Americans) and sit with them once a week listening to their thoughts; have them bless my home; dedicate my book to them and call them my mentors . . . would ya vote for me?

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

ms.calabaza,


Ah, you again. Mat has made an endorsement, "any" republican will do. If Trancredo had won the Republican nomination, Mat would still be calling Obama the anti-Spanish bigot, rather than Trancredo.

LOL

Ms Calabaza said...

20 years john, 20 years . . .

would ya vote for me? . . . even if I said everything you wanted to hear like: hope, change . . .peace, love and rock n' roll . . . don't think so.

Ms Calabaza said...

john,
well, I guess I can't speak for MaT but I think you are prejudging him.

My take on MaT is that he is against that immigration philosophy and you disagree.

Let's say we can agree to disagree.
Pretty cool that we are able to do that on this blog . . . don't ya think?

Ms Calabaza said...

Folks,
gotta start supper for the old man . . . have a great evening.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

ms. calabaza,


I already told you that i come from a republican family who tried their hardest to indoctrinate me with their racist beliefs. Instead of blacks, now their target are Spanish speakers.


If "they" ran for office, i could not vote for them. As i know their political republican affiliation is based "only" on hate. Rather than what is good for America. And what good for America is how i vote.

Therefore, if you were good for America, then yes i would vote for you, regardless of your politics.

Unfortunately, i have found too many Cuban-Americans also hate anything that is not extreme right wing.

CorgiGuy said...

ms c, you are running on hope, peace, love and rock roll, sign me up

about medical marijuana?

Ms Calabaza said...

corgi,

I don't inhale, but I don't see how it's any worse than 2 martinis. So, yeah legalize it.

(Oh no, I may have opened up a new can of worms . . . I really have to go now, but I'll try to come back later tonight)

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Esteban Colvert:

This I am sure will interest you. Martí wrote an essay entitled, "Would I Let My Daughter Marry a Black Man," which then as now was considered the litmus test for whether a white man was really free of racism or not. The essay was not published in his lifetime but was discovered 20 years ago.

What do you think Martí's answer was?

BTW, Wright just returned from a cruise. Without the tan his color is as white as that of any white man.

Vana said...

Marti's answer was YES

Fantomas said...

Fantomas,
you gonna vote for Obama?

iam going to vote for him in the primary here june 1 so that he can get 58 delegates from PR

after that it is in your hands I cant vote because iam unable to do by law since my main residence is PR and we dont vote in the GE

Anonymous said...

farina dijo

Please spare us your asinine opinions. You know absolutley nothing, because you are a complete idiot. Go read your first book and try getting an education before opnening you big mouth and stop talking about subjects you know nothing about.

Recuerda fantomas es el hombre de las mil caras. He knows a lot more than what he shows in the blogs. El es un malvado y es peligroso

Fantomas said...

mat te lo juro por mi madre si dejas este post aqui por 2 dias mas llegamos a 251 coments y ese seria tu recor mundial


aun 2968 behind Joani

2Humid said...

Fontoma,

what attracts you to Obama? I thought all babalu writers were republican hardliners.

Fantomas said...

what attracts you to Obama

his big smile

Fantomas said...

I thought all babalu writers were republican hardliners.

I only write on my humble and much less visited blog

Anonymous said...

babulu

Anonymous said...

sucks

2Humid said...

Fontoma,
just went to your blog. I thought you were a babalu blogger, sorry. you blog in spanish, though.

So you are a cuban who like Obama's smile. Are you gay?

Anonymous said...

Manny,

que pasa? no babalu radio hour tonight either?

CorgiGuy said...

come es la cosa? fantoma is gay? ride on sancho!

Anonymous said...

Fantomas es gay? No me sorprende.

Anonymous said...

Fantomas dijo:

mat te lo juro por mi madre si dejas este post aqui por 2 dias mas llegamos a 251 coments y ese seria tu recor mundial
aun 2968 behind Joani

Cuanto coments tienes tu marica?

Fantomas said...

a Fantomas le gustan las mujeres

ahora( no pueden ser patiflacas) y deben tener un buen culo

Que no se me equivoque nadie

lol

CorgiGuy said...

a denial and rebuttal from a kinder gentler fantomas. rcab is safe again

Anonymous said...

"So you are a cuban who like Obama's smile. Are you gay?"




Yup, Babulu is here. No matter the topic, they always want to discuss gay issues.

el mariconcito de lawton said...

hola chicos

como estan?

Yo muy bien }}}quieren jugar al escondido

Florintio said...

ay me pica el culito

algun voluntario que me arrasque

fran calzon cillo said...

So fantomas you like obama smile

how about joe gacias's hair?

you sur like him too

Lucrecio Salchi chon said...

me voy me voy aqui no hay hombres

este blog esta lleno de travestis

Anonymous said...

RCAB is kicking Babulu in the boooootay.

(snicker)

Ms Calabaza said...

MaT,

would you write about Marti's essay that you mentioned on this thread. You have me on the edge of my seat.

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Yah mat, i would like to read about that also.

Vana said...

Manuel:

Are you gonna give us the answer? youre killing me!

Vana said...

2humid:

Some people claim fantomas is gay

Vana said...

BTW not that there's anything wrong with that! (Seinfeld)

Ms Calabaza said...

vana, john, corgiguy, 2humid, agustin,KC/CB, various anonymi, babalu trollers, fantomas, alex:

Picture this: we don't hear from MaT for a day, then a week, then a few weeks and we keep coming by hoping that he'll pop up and tell us he's fine and just took a small vacation. But no, we still haven't heard from him. How can anyone of us reach him? We don't know where he lives, what he does, who he knows . . . the blog is still active and we all get together and start investigating. We would contact police to make a welfare check of a guy who lives in Union City, NJ. We don't know how old he is, what he looks like, does he have family? we don't know . . . but we won't give up because we care about MaT. So we continue to comment on Mat's last post comments. We search for clues, we argue, we blame one another for whatever has happened to him. Maybe Fantomas latest crazy comment made him go over the edge. Maybe some babalu boys found him and made him piccadillo, or maybe he's just debating with Alex at Miami and Beyond and that could take weeks. Maybe rick showed up and started slamming dear MaT and he could no longer take rick's sarcasm and something happened between them. Yes, maybe rick has the answer . . . we must contact rick . . . or could the babalu boys have hired a hitman ? How would we know that our sinsei, mentor is gone? Vana and Ms Calabaza (2 women with good sense)would fly to Union City and create the War Room , kc/cb can help us in the NJ/NY area to find Manuel. Fantomas we can drop in the bronx and let him scmooze with the common people and get any tips out in the community. John, we can send to the village to ask the progressives if they've seen a brilliant intellectual scholar who simply stopped blogging one day without warning.

The New York Post would have a headline of Intellectual Brilliant Blogger Missing, his groupies are lost without him.

Let's see, I can start on act 1 of this screenplay . . . vana, what do you think? You in?

Vana said...

You kidding Ms C, I would be in like Flynn, heaven help us, heaven help Mat, may nothing like that ever happen, I would go out of my mind, I need my Manuel fix everyday, he's like a drug, an intellectual drug, I would go into terrible withdrawls, I would be so sick with worry, I think we need to find out more about each other, thank God at least we have his real name, that picture is quite disturbing Ms C.

Tell me what is your astrological sign?

Ms Calabaza said...

Vana,
I'm an aquarian and was born with the my moon and sun in aquarius. You can e-mail me at calabazaseeds@yahoo.com anytime.

Meanwhile, looks like Manuel just decided to go to bed early. God willing.

Fantomas said...

tranquilos todos our beloved Mat ya reaparecera ...


Recuerden he's got his daugther in the basement for 24 years and 7 children to feed

let him come to his senses, ya la policia lo tiene

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Friends, I live.

It is a satisfaction for me to know, however, that I can set this blog on automatic pilot and it will continue without me and after me.

As García Lorca said, if I get lost, look for me in Havana.

Agustin Farinas said...

"Recuerden he's got his daugther in the basement for 24 years and 7children to feed"

Fantomas cannot post a single comment without adding insults to it. Is the nature of the beast, so to speak. His mind ( or whatever is left of it after the Castro educational lobotomy), always works in warped mode and so his comments always reflect that state of mind.
Just reread his comments about MAT and there lies a good explanation of his filthy and warped mind (if we can call that disgusting mush within it, a mind)
He never misses an oportunity to add a sexual content to his comments, whether he is refering to one's mother or any other family member.
What a disgusting human being, devoid of all decency! A typical byproduct of the Revolution. No wonder he is a cheer leader for Obama, heck, he sounds just like the reverend Wright and just as disgusting.

Vana said...

Ms C:

I had a feeling you were an air sign, very imaginative, your head is working full time, but yet you may be as stubborn as a Taurus, you are a fixed sign like myself Scorpio, you think with your head (good thing) unfortunately I think with the heart (not good)

Vana said...
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Ms Calabaza said...

MaT,

so glad you live!

Vana, thanks for your e-mail, now we can keep in touch when the absurd becomes absurder . . .

Agustin,
I agree with you on Fantomas. MaT has been so nice to this guy and he just puts him down every chance he gets. He doesn't have the guts to do that at Babalu though, there he is SERIOUS!! I absolutely love your term "airborne fornification" too. Hope all is well down under . . .

Fantomas said...

calabazza no insult to anyone but we must spicy this s little bit

sometimes los comentarios de todos ustedes son tan absurdos y estupidos que es necesario hacer lo que hago

after all ustedes no fueron parte del proceso revolucionario en la decada del 70 que fue la mas critica y dificil
iam gald i got to lived it

a mi nadie jamas me podra venir cin un cuento chino acerca de cuba

i was there

Fantomas said...

He doesn't have the guts to do that at Babalu though, there he is SERIOUS!! I

Calabazza why do we have to entorpecer el trabajo de otros, Iam seroius where i want to be

Aqui yo no puedo ser serio because the essence of this particular blog from day one was to ridiculize, bring down another cuban blog

por eso es que yo vengo aqui a ser parte del circo but nothing more

Nada serio aqui, it is just a little refreshing game where i can practice my english granmar skills

Fantomas said...

ask mat he taugh me the meaning of the word

COMPORT

Vana said...

Manuel:

I did something I have never done, I deleted the comment where I gave Ms C my e mail addy, she now has it, no need it to have it linger there for my enemies, hope you don't mind

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Vana:

Of course I don't mind; it was very prudent of you to delete it. I don't have to tell you why.