Friday, April 18, 2008

Round 6 With Henry

Henry Louis Gomez said...

Yes, I understood your position even if I don't share it. Perhaps because I am by nature a polemicist, I actually enjoy battling Castro spies, agents provocateur and all-around jerks. It's fun. As far as I know, there are only two of these creeps on the web: John Longfellow (who has dozens of aliases) and leftside. John is a standing joke and knows it (indeed cultivates that persona). Leftside is a committed Stalinist. It's our fault, however, if we let them drive us crazy.

Manuel A. Tellechea in email to me (September 14, 2006). The email was response to a message I sent him explaining why I moderate comments. My email was specifically about Herald Watch but described my thoughts about comment moderation in general.

Henry:

I wrote a long post in reaction to your thread announcing Diaz's resignation. I note that you have published the short post about Omar Claro, but not the longer post about Diaz's resignation. Actually, that post was also about you, since I made a long comparison between you and Diaz (i.e. as representing the two sides of the Cuban character: those who love and build (you) and those who hate and destroy (Diaz). It would be a sensible loss if that post disappeared.

Regards,

Manuel

Manuel Tellechea suggesting that I remove one of his comments from Herald Watch on October 3, 2006.

In the end this all about whether or not I have the freedom to govern the blogs I participate in or not. Manuel seems to think that someone elected him the pope of the bloggers and thus everyone must operate their blogs the way he would like them to.

And when you don't...

Well that's when he starts telling lies about you.

Manuel Tellechea continues to say on this blog that I desired the return of Elian. He bases this on a post a made in which I reflected on whether or not there was a deeper purpose for what happened to Elian. Such a reflection is one of a person looking for the silver lining in a cloud. An honest reading by a reasonable person would indicate that my feelings about Elian being returned home were those of someone who was deeply saddened.

But Manuel, the self appointed king of all bloggers, in his demented thinking saw it as an opportunity to attack me. He knows the truth. But he ignores it because it gives him greater pleasure to attack me than to tell the truth. That's how he runs a "democratic" version of a blog.

Very well.

Carry on.

4/18/2008 7:42 PM


Henry:

I guess that quoting private e-mails from me is something that I should expect from you. They do nothing but confirm what I have already said: that I once held you in high esteem for your role in unmasking the great wrong done to the Martí Moonlighters and even collaborated directly with you in that endeavor, which is a fact that I have not disclosed before not wishing to take any glory from you. You could have quoted also at length the praise that I lavished on you at that time. It would have done much to illustrate the fact that I have never had any personal animus towards you but encouraged you in every way possible when I believed you to be acting on behalf of our countrymen in this or any other matter.

Are you suggesting that I was only right when I praised you and always wrong when I criticized you? I should think that my past praise only lends credence my present criticism.

In the first e-mail that you quote I had protested the deletion of John Longfellow's and Leftside's comments from Herald Watch. Although I thought John to be a creep then (which he was then) and Leftside to be a Stalinist (which he was then and still is) I nevertheless stood up for their right not to have their comments deleted, confident that I could always refute their arguments; you were not so sure, apparently, that you could.

In the other e-mail I did not ask you to remove a comment of mine from Herald Watch but to publish it. But even if I had requested you to remove it that is not quite the same thing as, say, removing a comment of yours from this blog without your knowledge and against your wishes (which is your own wonted conduct on all your blogs). My words are mine as yours are yours. While I may dispose of my own words as I wish, I am not free -- and neither are you -- to dispose of somebody else's. In a broader context, you can't steal from yourself; you can only steal from others.

I suppose that I could follow your example and publish your private e-mails to me, which, of course, I have also preserved. But that would be to do as scoundrels do and I live at a higher altitude.

I will tell you, however, that my knowledge of your support for Elián's return to Cuba was not based on any hypothetical of yours. It was communicated to me in an e-mail by someone who knew you at the time. I cannot give you any further details since I promised confidentiality to that individual, but there is no doubt that what that person says with a wealth of details cannot be anything but the truth. Moreover, I know for a fact that you maintained then and maintain now personal relations with that person.

I have also been forwarded private e-mails from Val to a third party where he says things about Cubans on the island that were I to reveal them here would discredit Val and Babalú forever (more even than they are already discredited). But, of course, I will not publish them either because I honor confidences and trust enough in my abilities not to have to resort to underhanded means to prove my contentions.

58 comments:

Rick said...

LOL.

I'm wondering when I should reveal the private emails you sent me begging that I not destroy SotP's archives because you wanted to "preserve" certain posts that you were so proud of.

You are funny, Manuel. All this information that you are sitting on and not revealing because you are such an honorable man, while, at the same time, you wave it in the air like a sword.

I didn't think there was any one who could be lower than Henry on the Blogger Totem Pole of Low Lifes, Manuel, but somehow you manage to pull it off time after time.


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Fantomas said...
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Alex Hernandez said...

whiners are so annoying...

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

1) Henry, you werent laughing when someone jacked your name in the Miami Herald comment section, were you? :)

2) I never posted in the Herald Watch, Babulu, or CAP. As i dont post in chivato run blogs.

3) Henry, by your own admission you supported Elian's return to Fidel. This alone makes you a chivato in my book.

4) Also Henry, your Elian admission, proves that Mat was indeed being truthful about your Elian deportation wishes.

5) And Mat, there is no need to publish Val's private emails. As Val has posted many negative remarks about Cubans on the island in MCC for the world to see.

6) Val is an admitted racist against dark-skinned and mixed-raced Cubans on the island, and in Miami.

7) Both Val and Henry are nothing but rat-faced chivatos.




NUFF SAID,

john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...

Whaaa, whaaa, somebody jacked my name in the Miami Comment section.

Whaaa whaaa, mommie somebody jacked my name.


Whaaa whaaa


Henry, u lil fat baby huey


Who ever jacked your name must of have been a real son of bitch. A son of bitch who really had it out for you!!


:)

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

I have never sent you any e-mails, at any time, although I have castigated you on Critical Miami for withdrawing 100,000 comments along with your 3000 posts. Of course, none of that is destroyed but simply in abeyance till the day that you retire when you will again re-publish SotP, which is your greatest (only) accomplishment as a blogger, though the credit is not entirely yours.

All your posts from SotP were available on Google Cache for two weeks after you closed the blog and you can be sure that I saved everything that was worth saving.

Would you like me to re-publish it on RCAB as the "Lost Archives" of Stuck on the Palmetto? Just say so and I will.

Anonymous said...

lol mat

Rick said...

Yes, Manuel!

Please do! I want every single one up there.

It really will be amazing to see the work you put into preserving mine and Alex's writings and reflections.

And, trust me, I will never reveal your private email to me where you requested to be a a guest writer at SotP. That is something I would never release. Pinky swear.

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Anonymous said...

rick said:

"And, trust me, I will never reveal your private email to me where you requested to be a a guest writer at SotP. That is something I would never release. Pinky swear."

gutsy statement.. specially for someone who is soooo concern with anonymiy.... shall we revisit that dark and difficult episode of your life.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

Why would you have needed another token Cuban at Stuck on the Palmetto? The one you had was a better writer and thinker than you, and was, moreover, loyal to you.

No amount of pleading on your part would ever have convinced me to join you in any enterprise great or small, though God knows you tried.

Remember? "The beloved Manuel A. Tellechea, Stuck on the Palmetto's favorite?"

Of course you remember, and have never forgiven me for abruptly leaving your blog or refusing to comment on your new one.

I saved from your archives what directly concerned me. That is, my comments and repartee with Alex; but nothing of yours.

Still, I am glad to have your permission to select the best from SotP for historical preservation.

We know what that is.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Anonymous:

We don't even have to revisit it. Rick still resides there and has never moved on.

Rick said...

See, Manuel, that's your problem. You feel like a token Cuban up there north of the border. And you're transposing your feelings onto Alex. Shame. Shame.

Oh, so now we've gone from saving all of SotP to saving select posts that concern you and, finally, to just Alex's posts that concern you. Ha! Talk is cheap, Manny.

Put up or shut the hell up.

Let me know when you're going to begin to make this a regular part of your Review of a Cuban-American Blog.

Hey A...come out, come out whoever you are and play! Shall we revisit, you ask? Yes, we shall! You first, A.

Whatcha got for me, champ?

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Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

I didn't say that I saved everything from SotP, just "everything that was worth saving." As I've already explained, I have nothing from you. Nothing from you was worth the trouble of saving.

The format will probably be similar to the "Notable & Quotable" feature of this blog. Be sure to visit every day as usual in order not to miss it.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Fantomas:

I got your e-mail.

Anonymous said...

Rick said:
"Whatcha got for me, champ?"

nothing..absolutely nothing... But, last time you posted here was when KC's PRIVATE id was apparently revealed ... now you post again when a PRIVATE e-mail is revealed...........I see a pattern....You are obessed with privacy and anonymity...I suggest you see a therapist or contact Dr. Phil...you'll be a very interesting guess ..I mean guest

Rick said...

So if you have nothing that concerned me or involved me, why would that be such a big deal to me, Manny? Why would you ask my permission? Unless, of course, you felt confident I would oppose it for whatever reason but then when I gave you the green light, well, you had to show your hand which was next to nothing. Par for the course.

Hey, whatever. It's after midnight and I have things to do tomorrow.

Have fun, y'all. And anonymous...you behave, now, y'hear? ;)

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Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

I asked your permission because SotP is (was) your blog. I was the one surprised that you literally handed me title to its entire contents. But, of course, you think that I don't have access to the portions that concerned me and was merely bluffing. Hold that thought. Like Stuck on the Palmetto, it will shortly implode.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

Here's a good-night cordial for you courtesy of Henry Gómez and your good friends at Babalú. It's from a post entitled "Squashing the Losers" which was posted on March 30 and deleted on March 31.

Henry is a small-time deleter; not in your league, of course. Still, you probably missed it. I did not.

Enjoy:

"Even asshole Rick blogs with his first name and he was stealing time from the fucking government for years. -- Henry Gómez

Fantomas said...
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Anonymous said...

LOL Mat, you really have had your hands full the last couple of days.
Success brings envy. Envy brings attacks. Good luck, and hang on tight!!

Anonymous said...

henry gomez=chivato

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Anonymous:

The same characters were hating me long before RCAB became the success that it is today.

Anonymous said...

rick=chivato.

no, wait.

rick=putz

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Anonymous:

I am waiting to see if the vampire will come out in the daylight.

Anonymous said...

Well, you are doing an exceptional job in spanking the little poodles.

Vana said...

Rick is crying and whinning again, as a matter of fact that's all he ever does when he comes in hera, sniff, sniff.

Anonymous said...

Any blog Rick (struts) into, he always gets his booty kicked real hard. This time, however, Manuel left his boot impressions on both of Rick's butt cheeks.


I guess Rick is a patethic and frustrated sadist, who enjoys recieving harsh punishment.

Vana said...

Henry has shown himself to be the lowest form of scumbag and chivato, to make public personal e mails is as low as you can go.

Are you getting so desperate Henry?

Fantomas said...

Henry has shown himself to be the lowest form of scumbag and chivato, to make public personal e mails is as low as you can go.

Are you getting so desperate Henry?

4/19/2008 12:02 PM

Manuel ,lo ha hecho, kill castro lo ha hecho , vana en que mundo vives?

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

fantomas:

Correction: I have never revealed the content of private e-mails whether sent directly to me or forwarded from a third-party.

The only exception to that rule would be if a threat on my life or that of my family were contained in such e-mails in which case they would be forwarded to the proper authorities.

I believe that this also justifies Killcastro's actions in respect to you and others.

Fantomas said...

I believe that this also justifies Killcastro's actions in respect to you and others

and tell me mat what the fuck did i do to kill castro a ver habla?

What threat did i make to him or his family?

dime porque me has dejado loco con esta

Fantomas said...

what kill castro did was reveal my name ( which is never the real one) without remorse. You did it too a while back , alex has done it

ustedes son un trio de chivatos , scum of the earth, men without honor, diganme ustedes a mi cuando fantomas ha revelado algun nombre de ustedes out of the blue, never

pero te digo el dia que llegue a mis manos el nombre real de kill castro voy a hacer fiesta con el carajo, fiesta

miralo como un pay back nada mas por lo que el hizo without provocation whatsoever ( speaking of myself)

lol

Fantomas said...

manny te deje mudo?

defiendete anda hazlo por honor?

a ver si puedes

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

fantomas:

While privately commiserating with Killcastro, you publicly called him a liar and claimed that he had fabricated the unfortunate calamities that befell his family in Cuba as a consequence of being outed by Val on his own blog.

For once, your double-dealing was exposed for all to see. This is what you will never forgive Killcastro.

Fantomas said...

No Mat you are wrong i told that in public , what i told him in privacy was that I was not taking any sides on that bout..

He was livid..He wanted me to take a side ..He got upset because i held my ground and told him no, no, no, no, no, no,

Fantomas is a man of honor, integrity, high values, fantomas can never be pressured to take sides , ever

this is s lesson many of you will learn from fantomas today

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

fantomas:

Your name is not a secret. Not only did you once reveal it yourself on your own blog but Babalú long ago identified you with it. Then there is the matter of the news coverage accorded to your protest at a sports event 2 years ago (which included even a photograph of you).

For better or worse, you are a public figure, fantomas. Too late now to claim an anonymity that you long ago discarded.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

fantomas:

Talking both sides -- one privately and another publicly -- is not quite the same thing as taking no sides.

Fantomas said...

what public figure ni ocho cuarto chico tu estas loco, te lo dije anteriormente en aquella ocasion solo salio mi primer nombre ..Recuerda mat en este negocio la seguridad es primordial y fantomas tomo precauciones desde un principio, tengo 3 nombres in the bag para confundirlos a todos los amigos y los enemigos, nadie nunca sabra el real name porque fantomas es fantomas y ahi se acaba el issue del nombre.ademas la razon de sacar ese nombre es para eso mismo para no buscar protagonismo porque una cosa siempre tuve claro desde el principio. No protagonismo personal. Y por eso nacio Fantomas. Dejad amigo tellechea que sea Fantomas que coga todo el credito .Fantomas is the public figure not his handlers. Porque una cosa que te dire en primicia aqui hoy. Fantomas tiene mas de un handler. Son 3 personas las que le dan vida a Fantomas. y esto es primicia mundial solo aqui. entendido amigo tellechea..entendido?
ahora no le digas eso a nadie, a nadie ..Keep it a secret
lol

Fantomas said...

Talking both sides -- one privately and another publicly -- is not quite the same thing as taking no sides.

he got upset because i did not take his side. that all it matter to him. Manny I stayed in the middle ni uno ni el otro. entiendelo

Fantomas said...

waiting for round 7th

this is getting boring now

time to end the thread

Henry Louis Gomez said...

There he goes again.

-Ronald Reagan

Manuel,

My position on comments is that the communists and other jerks have plenty of forums where their words are accepted as facts. I do not need to provide them with another. I am the type of person that likes to get the last word in on his own blog. Since I do have a life outside of blogging, I do not wish to engage in ongoing debates with braindead retards like Rick, Paul Benavides, Matt Glesne or John Longfellow. It's my prerogative as the blogger.

No shirt
No shoes
No service


How many times have you seen those words at public accommodations like restaurants? Even though they are public, the owner has a right to enforce a code of conduct among his GUESTS.

You do not have "right" to comment on anyone's blog nor do you have a "right" to have your comments preserved in perpetuity. Perhaps a class in constitutional law is what the doctor ordered for you. Or maybe some anti-psychotic medications.

I never denied that you praised me. All it shows is that when you were denied your "right" to call Gloria Estefan a communist at Babalu, because she made a boneheaded decision, that you snapped.

As for your super secret source on my feelings about Elian at the time of the tragedy, either he/she is lying or you are. But the odds are about 99-1 that you are the one that's lying and that your source if you have one is one of your imaginary friends like Vana.

I am glad that my presence on your blog has helped make you the king of the most commented Cuban-American blogs. Anything to help out an old friend, even if he continues to spread hurtful lies about me. Yes hurtful, because my feelings about Elian were the exact opposite of what you have portrayed. At first I was outraged that you posted those lies. But now I am thankful because it confirmed for me, and revealed to others, that you are not just a great writer, but also a petty little man who lashes out when he is not allowed to control every situation to his satisfaction.

Very well,

carry on.

Vana said...

Manuel:

I'm imaginary...lol...you made me up, will someone please tell my husband and family I don't exsist..lol..this is too damn funny, why because I back Manuel?why because reading Manuel pleases me? Why because I don't stab Manuel in the back? is called loyalty Henry, I'm loyal to a fault, Manuel is my friend, that is why, get it through your thick skull.

Rick said...

Quoting Henry for your use, Manny?

My, how the mighty have fallen. But not surprising, as you both are cut from the same cloth.

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Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

I'm always quoting Henry, or haven't you noticed? It seems to me, though, that you save all your ammunition for Val while ignoring Henry for the most part. Why is that?

Cut out of the same cloth, you say? Cuban cloth, Rick? I'll have you know that Henry is as much an an American as you are.

Rick said...

No doubt, Henry is quite flattered by your use of his words when dealing with me, Manny.

To be honest, I'm quite shocked that you would revert to applying the "What Would Henry Say?" (WWHS) dictum.

It's not like you.

By the way, I refuse to release the private email you sent me wherein you describe your awful habit of wanking while reading old SotP posts. Your secret, no matter how disgusting, is safe with me, Manny.

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Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

Everybody knows of your predilection for Henry, though it is Henry, not Val, who has launched the most effective sorties against you.

It is only fitting, therefore, that I should quote references which Henry has made to you on Babalú and later deleted.

I would ask you to speak more respectfully of Stuck on the Palmetto now that you have ceded to me complete reproduction rights over its material.

Does that include your cherished "Best Local Blog" awards from New Times?

Alex said...

Before you get too crazy, Manuel, don't even think of reproducing anything related to the "Vamos a Cuba" series. Fair (and legal) warning.

Rick said...

Alex, you know Manny just sprung a woody with your words. I'm sure he'll be a "man of honor" and agree to withhold posting anything whether he has the posts or not.

Henry drinks my piss, Manny, so I have no idea what you're referring to. Another one of your aberrations, I guess.

How many effing invitations do you need, Manuel? Just post the sh*t, already, and quit your friggin wanking.

Oh, and, yeah, Henry is an American like me. What are you, "Manuel?" Are you an American? Or are you something else? Maybe a Canadian? Do tell, "Manny."

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Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Alex:

A very important clarification. Your "pardner" just gave the shop away including your precious stuff from SotP. Do not blame me for that. I am not a receiver of stolen properties. What's yours is yours. And what's Rick's is garbage.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

So the schoolmarmish Rick has finally let down his apron. Funny.

Well, your old "pardner" has reclaimed the best stuff at SotP. Obviously he values his work more than you do yours. Of course, he has every reason to.

The task is now made much harder for me but I will find something of yours to post from SotP just to convince you that I can. Your "pardner" doesn't have to be convinced. He knows me better than you. You know why.

What do I consider myself?

Cuban.

With no hyphens.

Rick said...

O' Balless Wonder:

You said Henry was as American as me. My question to you was: "What are you?" Not, "What do you consider yourself?"

American? Chinese? Canadian? Swedish?

It seems to me to be a pretty easy question. I mean, you live in Union City, NJ, right? Should be real simple.

Just say it, Manny. "I am an American." But don't say it if it isn't true.

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Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Rick:

I am a Cuban. How many times must I parse that for you?

Are you shocked that there are Cuban exiles in this country? People who are actually exiles, not immigrants, as Alex is proud to call himself?

If you had to leave the U.S. for political reasons, would you cease to be an American?

Why should I cease to be a Cuban?

Do you consider being an American better than being a Cuban?

[I know, it's a minefield for you, difficult to maneuver without resorting to bigotry].

Alex said...

Yeah, whatever. I have no interest in these little games. The posts were in the blog freely for anybody to read. Maybe Manuel made copies, maybe not. But publishing is another matter entirely.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Alex:

Maybe not?

It may be that you don't know me as well as I thought.

In any case, sort this matter out with your former "pardner" who is challenging me to publish the stuff which I have saved from SotP while you are warning me not to.

Alex said...

I don't care if you put them up on the web, for criticism or commentary only, and with proper attribution of course. You know the law (or find somebody to explain it to you).

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

I don't care if you put them up on the web, for criticism or commentary only, and with proper attribution of course. You know the law (or find somebody to explain it to you). -- Alex

What else would it be for but "criticism or commentary?" As for "proper attribution" can you possibly mean to suggest that I would steal for recollections of your "idyllic" childhood in Castro's Cuba?

As for "knowing the law," I am sure I know it as well as your father-in-law.

Rick said...

Well, I didn't realize you are Cuban citizen, Manny. I always thought that you held something other than a Cuban passport.

I thought Cuban citizens could only be out of the country for a certain period of time before they had to return?

Guess I was mistaken.

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