Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Tonight's Presidential Debate

If the political pundits are to be believed everything is riding on tonight's final presidential debate. In fact, nothing is at stake except the prognostications of the prognosticators who will extrapolate from the subjective results of the debate the outcome of the election. Perhaps their predictions should be computed on Election Day and a margin of error established for each political gadfly that might help us gauge his accuracy in a future election (if there are to be future elections). In truth, debates, or the mockery that passes for debates nowadays, are meaningless. Partisans will always think that their candidate won and those in the middle will shift in whatever direction they finally decide their interests lie. No one ever switches sides as a result of a debate unless the differences between the candidates are so insignificant that nothing is to be won or lost by voting for one or the other. The Kennedy-Nixon debate is often cited as having decided the 1960 election. In fact, it was the mayor of Chicago and the undead of its cemeteries who decided that election just as this one might be decided or at least deadlocked (no pun intended) by ACORN's own attempts at reanimation.

Of course, I'll be watching the debate as I don't doubt you will also. It is, after all, high theatre, as carefully rehearsed and orchestrated as any set piece. Spontaneity, originality and even combativeness are all greatly discouraged as too risky. It seems to be the objective of each candidate to come out of the debate no worse than he entered it, that is, to avoid committing a gaffe that would invalidate his candidacy. A debater should always be prepared to take advantage of his opponent's misstatements; in modern debates, however, all that is required to succeed in a debate is to guard against one's own. The best way to do this is to be as imprecise and noncommittal as possible. Inevitably such a course will tend to diminish rather than highlight differences between candidates, which could be calamitous in this election because there are real differences between McCain and Obama, fundamental differences which should not be glossed over, because the future of this Republic depends on understanding the danger which the Democratic candidate and his coterie of unsavory alliances poses to the future of democracy in America.

If John McCain is to be faulted for anything it is for his excessive collegiality which almost makes it seem that he does not fully appreciate the importance to this country of his winning this election. He could have confounded the pundits and defined for all Americans the meaning of maverick if he had opposed and defeated Bush's nationalization of Wall Street and the banking industry. That certainly would have guaranteed his election. Instead he chose to side with Bush and statists like Obama, though his silence at the White House conference on the bail out, also attended by an enthusiastic Obama, gave some indication of his real discontent. He would have won the election for certain if he had voiced it.

I still believe that McCain will prevail in the end because voting for Obama requires a degree of comfort with the unfathomable (or self-induced blindness) which most Americans can't long sustain. Of course, the only reason that mainstream Americans would consider voting for Obama in the first place is that the media have consistently cooperated with him in keeping his well-defined radical positions and solid left record from the American people. In the end, however, questions about him persist which will never be answered because the answers are potentially more dangerous than the lingering questions.

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71 comments:

Esteban Colvert said...

Manuel, (pobre diablo que pena me das), I know you are the smartest "one trick pony" I've read. What happened? What would it take for you to not be so enthusiastic for McP & more of the same. I think there's more of a chance of getting the families in Cuba (and all that entails...maybe we can bring some Osters, money & hope over) back w/ Obama. I just think McMain in the membrane is just going to be more the same. Does it HAVE TO BE YOUR WAY ALL THE TIME OR IT'S NO GOOD?
I hope not.

Anonymous said...

Colbert aka Fantomas aka Enrique, communism by ANY name is still communism, maybe you are too stupid to get it, or you are deep down a communist, maybe getting plowed up the ass has fucked you up for good, when communism reigns (god help us all) homos will be sent to the work camps to enrich their characters, that includes you. The communists' cousins aka NAZIs tried to do it all at once, their commie cousins are if anything patient, but unlike the adage, they have no virtues.

Fantomas said...

Manuel check site meter again ... Im not colvert

fantomas impostors beware

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Manuel A.Tellechea said...

esteban colvert:

Actually, things have never gone my way, but for once I am hoping they will. If I am wrong it is the Americans who will have to pay the price and it will be quite a novel experience for them. Cubans are quite used to atoning for the sins of their northern neighbor.

Anonymous said...

Tellechea, the gringos will never listen to any of us Cubans, they are too fucking arrogant to pay heed to the warnings of anyone they consider subhuman, the Germans thought that all Slavs were subhuman until they found themselves facing Soviet T-34 tanks that deflected the NAZI antitank artillery with their leap-forward sloped armour, the gringos never learn, most of them are descendants of European and African bottom of the barrel people and their ignorance is passed down to their children, what can be expected from the ignorant if not ignorance?

Fantomas said...

Manuel los unicos que estan preocupados por la militancia de los 2 amiguitos de Obama in the sixties , Ayers , etc, son un grupito de fascinerosos cubanos que no tienen mas na que hacer usualmente viven en Miami y escriben para Babaly y nuevo accion. Metiendole a la gente miedo que Obama traera el comunismo and the likes.

A los americanos NO LE IMPORTA eso. Se cagan en Ayers y toda esa pandilla comunista porque a decir verdad representan el 0.01 porciento de la poblacion

Asi que por Favor vamos a darle el chance a Obbie para ver si se mueve la economia , se acaban las guerras y rompemos el hielo con Cuba ... Con todos los presos politicos cubanos fuera de la carcel ...TODOS

EL DEBATE DE HOY SE LLAMA LA ESTOCADA FINAL..

el dow jones creo que bajo como
800 puntos hoy . y ya se de varios suicidios en NY en Wall street

Hoy Obama DEBE DESPEJAR DUDAS ACABANDO CON EL VIEJITO MC SAME .. Y ENVIANDO A LA pALIN A ALASKA donde su pueblo la reclama con fervor

Anonymous said...

Debate tonight:

Dodgers vs. Phillies....

Fantomas said...
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Fantomas said...

Y Tampa acaba con la piltrafa de Boston mañana

Vana said...

At this time all we can do is keep our fingers crossed and hope things go our way come election day.

Fantomas said...

At this time all we can do is keep our fingers crossed and hope things go our way come election day.

Vana se ve que ni usted ni su familia tienen inversiones en Wall Street .

Anonymous said...

Enrique, let's put an end to the BS around here, Manuel keeps on claiming that you and me are one and the same, since he's a chicken shit and won't open the sitemeter, we can agree to exchange truths for BS at your BTR program aka Fantomas Radio, I noticed that MaT chickened out of your last challenge, I hereby challenge both of you to man up or shut up, I know more than likely you will accept my offer, MaT the misterious chicken shit from NJ, well, we'll see, chicken shit.

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Well, it's finally happened. I always knew it would. The two personalities have split and gone their separate way. Will they appear together, Sybill-like, on fantomas' radio show? Be sure to provide the link.

Anonymous said...

Tellechea, do you or do you not accept the challenge? It's a simple query, Fantomas, what about you?

Vana said...

Obama wants to "spread" the wealth around, sound familiar? or who does he think he is Robin Hood?

Fantomas said...

No more BTR for me

Vengo con mi veredicto del debate

Lo estoy preparando

Look out fantomas pasara sentencia

Fantomas said...

BREAKING NEWS...STOP THE PRESSES

READ ALL ABOUT IT.....

JOHN MC CAIN JUST LOST THE ELECTION FOLKS .. BECAUSE HE DID NOT FOLLOW HENRY GOMEZ ADVICE FROM LAST NIGHT...HERE IS THE PROOF IN HIS OWN WORDS

Senator Government
Last night I offered McCain some unsolicited advice to win the debate. I posited that in order to win he needed to land a zinger. He didn't. At least not intentionally. The one memorable line was a a Freudian slip in which McCain called Obama "Senator Government". Totally appropriate but not premeditated in my opinion. McCain ain't that good an actor.

Posted by Henry Louis Gomez at 10:37 PM | Permanent Link to this Post | Habla ()


Mansuelo what " posited means"

Anonymous said...

Enrique so you are a chicken shit also, so much for all your talk, you won't walk the walk, you and MaT are right for each other, a couple of girly boys, no wonder you two are always acting the way you do with each other, huh!!!

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

Remember, the self described "political animal since the age of 7" doesn't want McCain to win because he's not a "real conservative." Henry would prefer that Obama becomes president because that would ensure, in his opinion, that a real conservative would be elected in 2012. Supposing, of course, that there are elections in 2012 or even a 2012.

Fantomas said...

It is over..INFIDELES

Hand Mr Eloquent the Key to the White House already, please

This comment will be made a post @ Abajofidel Blog later . I will honor you Mansuelo and will write it in plain and simple English just for you

Mc Cain completely overmatched tonite, the last debate of the year

John Mc Cain keeps reminding us that " he is running on scars" . So that makes him more qualified than Obama

When Mc Cain spoke about Autism and Sarah Palin he committed the biggest sin of the night

" Mc Cain claims Sarah Palin knows best about autism than most"

I think this prejudice remark felt like a cold bucket of ice on a snowy day in Alaska for the thousands of mothers in the Us and around the world who also have children with this terrible disease. People are really happy to know that Palin knows and understand it best.. yeah John

John mc Cain wants an inmediate spending freeze on all gov programs .. How could this be if Same mc Cain says Palin will do a lot for children with autism ... How will he fund this if the funds would be frozen.

How can we have a spending freeze when John Mc Same proposed just a few days ago the Gov should buy all bad home loans so that people will remain in their homes

Folks this is a no brainer , Mr Eloquent was so eloquent tonite , Mc Cain had no recourse..


I just wish Democrats can approve the Free Trade Agreement with Colombia. Obama should back it even if it means a battle with Pelosi

In regards to Education , Health Care , Environment Obama sounded more knowledgeable than Mc Cain

Esto se acabo ..Obama hands down won this debate easily

Fantomas said...

Remember, the self described "political animal since the age of 7" doesn't want McCain to win because he's not a "real conservative." Henry would prefer that Obama becomes president

No, IT HAS TO BE THE SMILE

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Anonymous said...

Fantomas for President

Joe the plumber said...

It's not a done deal yet, but all indications are that campaign officials are leaning toward Hutchinson Field on the south end of Grant Park as the site of their election night party.

The field is home to softball diamonds, the popular summer Lollapalooza music festival and was the site of the mass pope John Paul held in Chicago nearly 30 years ago.

If Grant Park is chosen as the venue, it would not be the first big outdoor event for Obama. He announced his presidential run outside the old state capitol in Springfield on a very cold day last February and gave his nomination acceptance speech at Denver's Mile High Stadium.

CBS 2 first reported last month that Grant Park was on Obama campaign officials' shortlist. They tentatively decided on it late last week. The negotiations with the city and park district have begun. Security arrangements are reportedly starting to take shape, and Mayor Richard M. Daley reportedly said it was a great idea.

The record low for Nov. 4 in Chicago is 15 degrees. CBS 2 Chief Correspondent Jay Levine asked Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce President Jerry Roper what he anticipated for the night.

"Weather's never a problem Chicago. We know how to handle it," Roper said. "And there'll be a lot of warmth that night, if indeed it does take place in Grant Park."

Roper added that the event would be a "huge economic boost for our city."

"People have been following Barack Obama around the world, and the world will have their eyes on Chicago that evening," Roper said. "With the Pope's visit from 30 years ago, to Lollapalooza, this city knows how to handle big events. … We're prepared."

(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)


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Anonymous said...

It's going to be Obama.

Since you Rafter Republicans have turned this country into a ghetto,
it's only appropriate that we have a black president.

Agustin Farinas said...

MAT,
maybe we will get lucky and the new hurricane Omar will blow away to sea Rubber Head never to be found again. Since he wished the same for Cuba, it will be great karma if he himself gets blown away by a hurricane out to sea and is never found. Good riddance, I say.

Fantomas said...

Omar no dejo ni una gota de agua por aca. Hace un sol tremendo. Me dicen que anda por Europa ya

Fantomas said...

Val prieto se desencadena

You may disagree all you want with "George Bush" and his policies, and you may have serious issues with the man himself, but until the 20th of January of the year 2009, he is still The President of the United States of America. And that makes him your President.

If you do not have the common sense and simple decency to respect the highest office in the land, you deserve to represent no one, in any office.

Posted by Val Prieto at 09:33 AM | Permanent Link to this Post | Habla (2)


Val Prieto espero que seas lo suficientemente valeroso para decir eso mismo en enero de 2009
CUANDO OBAMA HUSSEIN SE CONVIERTA EN TU PRESIDENTE..

DEBES RESPETARLO CON ORGULLO POR LOS PROXIMOS 8 AÑOS. ES TU DEBER COMO CIUDADANO. Y RECUERDA VAL, OBAMA BAJARA TUS TAXES . YOU ARE NOT JOE THE PLUMBER . NOT EVEN CLOSE MAKING 250K A YEAR

Fantomas said...

Mansuelo vengo con un super post acerca de Obama y Cuba 2009

lo escribire en español esta vez

la primicia aqui antes de ser publicado en mi blog

friend of joe said...

"Val Prieto is not Joe the plumber"

ja, ja, ja,

Manuel A.Tellechea said...

He is not. As you may recall Val recently solicited the services of a plumber pro bono on Babalú. Perhaps Joe the Plumber would be willing to volunteer his services for so worthy a cause.

Mr Hubris said...

Manuel any words on last night debate and fantomas observation on this thread

Anonymous said...

"Val Prieto is not Joe the plumber"

ja, ja, ja,


Manuel, Who is the " plumber at Babalu"

In other words, WHO makes more than 250k a year of all contributor writers

Anonymous said...

Are you a Plumber con tus traducciones Manuel?

Anonymous said...

Fantomas y Manuel están obsesionados cón Valentín Priéto, ¿serán gansuelos, paticos, o maricónes?

¿Será por eso que el Mansuélo siempre está pendiente de todo lo que Valentín hace y dice?

Mansuélo, Valentín no es marica, buscate un "compañero sexual" en el Village, según nos dicen está cerca de tu estudio en la calle 32 de Union City, o mejór dicho, Yunion Ciry, en cubano locál del Condádo Hudson, porque hablár correcto es imposible en ese antro de comemierdas.

Anonymous said...

The puppet Bush regime is using new, aggressive forms of brainwashing to change the very way Americans think and feel. And you guys fall under this catergory. Stop watching mainstream media to utter your ideas and views. LOL!! Stick to cuba issues.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:38, why are you not using your Blogger ID? It is obvious that you are Tomas Estrada-Palma IV, your Kool-Aid drinking insanity gives you away every time, R U still talking 2 yourself Tomas, hasn't the Thorazine worked, what about the shock treatments? Remember to stay alert, the Feds will show up @ your door any day now.

Anonymous said...

Mansuelo who won the debate?

Anonymous said...

Babalusians lurking beware

Anonymous said...

Who is Val Prieto?

Friend of Joe said...

JOE THE PLUMBER IS A GOP PLANT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0fFzPg93Xg

alex said...

Manuel Fantomas just published a photoshop pic on his blog . Check it out

Anonymous said...

This Blog is dead


Where are the usual suspects, calabazza, Fariñas, Corgiguy, Charlie, Joep...

Mutinity at RCAB

Anonymous said...

Manuel I want another 640 comments on this thread

Anonymous said...

Jose El Plomero rocks lol

Anonymous said...

Se llama Samuel el plomero and NO HE DOES NOT MAKE 250K A YEAR

He just said it on CNN

Anonymous said...

Now Val Can be a plomero

Anonymous said...

y Manuel su ayudante

Joe Biden said...

Anyone who tells you this election is already decided is dead wrong. Let's not forget the 2000 election, when Al Gore was up by double digits in October.

The surest way to lose a race is to slow down with the finish line in sight.

We're taking no chances. We've planned the biggest get out the vote operation in history, and we need to make sure that every voter has their voice heard.

That's why we've set the goal of bringing in 100,000 new donors by Friday at midnight.

If you step up and make your first donation today, it will be matched by a previous donor.

Will you make a donation of $5 or more today and double your impact?

This campaign has fought for every inch, and now is not the time to take anything for granted.

To get out the vote, we need to knock on hundreds of thousands of doors and make even more phone calls.

This campaign has built the largest field operation in history, and we need to mobilize it in these remaining days to get every single voter to the polls on Election Day.

Because that's what it comes down to -- counting every last vote.

Make a matching donation today to make certain that when everything is on the line, we are stronger than ever:

https://donate.barackobama.com/promise

We've come too far to hold back now.

Thank you for everything you're doing,

Joe Biden

Anonymous said...

http://lta.reuters.com/article/topNews/idLTASIE49F2B320081016

esteban colvert said...

There will be no more 640 comment threads. Your magic is dead, fantomas. Now you repel rather than attract. Your bag of tricks is empty. Fantomas has been defeated. He is deader than this blog. Sad, he was once the blod of this blog, but that was many years ago... At the Copa, Copacabana...

Fulano de Cal said...

DEBES RESPETARLO CON ORGULLO POR LOS PROXIMOS 8 AÑOS. ES TU DEBER COMO CIUDADANO

Yes, my son already calls him "President Culicagado"

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:24, boooooriiiiiiinnnnnngggg commie crap, OK Enriqueta? You neglected to close Joe "Twilight Zone" Biden's statement to the proletariat by saying:

"Patria o Muerte, Nos Jodemos"

1...2...3...4...comiendo mierda y rompiendo zapatos.

Anonymous said...

DEBES RESPETARLO CON ORGULLO POR LOS PROXIMOS 8 AÑOS. ES TU DEBER COMO CIUDADANO


Intense stuff

Fantomas said...

tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac

Traigo kool aid hoy

sabor: champola

traigan sus jarros

Esteban Dido said...

Can Babalu survive 8 years of Obama

Probably not

Will the all move to Iceland to live on Babalandia St

Probably YES

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