I have received many e-mails from readers, both known and unknown to me, asking me to re-consider my decision to close this blog on January 20th. At the same time, my own determination to do so was strengthened daily by the events leading up to Inauguration Day. Bush may not have listened to Cubans, but Obama listens to the wrong Cubans. As soon as it is possible for him to do so, and sooner even than most of us expect, the juggernaut of normalization will roll over every Cuban on the island, leaving them parallel with their surroundings. There is nothing that can be done to stop him and much that we must do to prepare ourselves, as best as we can, for the greatest defeat we have ever sustained in our struggle against tyranny in our country.
In 1959, the United States installed Castro in power and it has been the guarantor of Communism in Cuba since 1962. What it has not done, however, is to underwrite the enterprise. That was a task left to America's enemies. This is going to change now. Cuba will remain the only Communist state under U.S. military protection but now it will also enjoy all the benefits of commerce with this nation, or leastwise its oppressors will. After defaulting on every foreign creditor and exhausting every line of credit while amassing the largest per capita indebtedness in the world, the Castro regime expects and has probably already received assurances that Obama will rescue it, ignoring the floating corpses of all previous "saviors" who have ever extended a lifeline to it.
Since there can be no resumption of diplomatic relations with Communist Cuba until it settles U.S. claims against it, Obama will float the regime a loan so that it can pay pennies on the dollar for the properties it confiscated and nationalized before Obama was born, receiving in return clear title to them, which will enable it to sell those same properties at market value to a new generation of greedy and ignorant American investors, who will pour billions into the island with the assurance that the U.S. government will bail them out when the regime decides again that seizing American assets is more beneficial than trading with the enemy.
The biggest losers in this arrangement will be the Cuban people, who will not regain their liberty, but become subject to the exploitation of even more foreigners. Their masters will multiply but the quality of their lives will not improve. A prosperous tyranny is always to be more feared than one on the verge of economic collapse. The means of repression will expand and be fortified with the profits that the regime will reap from trade with the U.S. There will be no sharing of the wealth, however, because economic rights always anticipate political rights, and a regime that has always regarded both as anathema will not open the door to one knowing that it leads to the other.
The result of "normalization" (what a quaint word as if any relationship with a regime like Castro's could ever be anything but abnormal!) will prove detrimental to all parties except Castro and his henchmen. Those who espouse rapprochement do so because they hope to profit from the suffering of the Cuban people. Obama, besides acting on his ideological affinities with Castro, hopes to score a cheap coup de theatre by renewing relations with Communist Cuba, which the media are sure to represent as the greatest diplomatic feat in history, surpassing the opening of Japan by Perry or of China by either Marco Polo or Nixon. American businessmen, industrialists and agronomists, who have spent 8 years drooling about the prospects of trade with Cuba as Bush dangled that putrid carrot before them, will trample one another like elephants even before they reach the cliff.
To do business with Cuba will become more important than to do justice to Cubans. Human rights there will become as irrelevant as human rights in China without the Cuban people ever being compensated with an extra bowl of porridge for surrendering to the stomach what rightly belongs to the spirit.
This is what the election of Barack Obama means to Cubans and why tomorrow will always be a day of mourning for our country.
For my part, I prefer to mourn in private, which is the reason that I have decided to close the Review of Cuban-Americans Blogs tomorrow.
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The Bell Does Not Toll for RCAB Alone
Estoy en total desacuerdo contigo como siempre lo he hecho. Tu tiempo ya paso Tellechea y esos sermones de nada serviran para que una nueva generacion de cubanos pueda vivir en paz y harmonia con una calidad de vida muy superior a la actual. Los cubanos dentro de Cuba tendran los que ellos puedan tener y lo mas seguro que la dictadura continue con Obama o sin Obama. Siempre te lo dije y me hicistes caso omiso . Tenemos que sacarlos a la fuerza a tiro limpio o nada. Y hasta que eso no ocurra jamas habra cambios . Lo que si te puedo decir es que hay mas chance de " algun cambio positivo con Obama" que con Mc Cain . Tiendo a pensar que las cosas pudieran favorecernos in the long run with openess of any kind rather that maintaning the cold war mentality . The infamous status quo
ReplyDeleteEste es el entremes mio
Mas tarde o mañana depende de como me sienta te dejare aqui mi final post before you leave
So you shutter a blog that is supposed to, by it's name, "review Cuban-American blogs," because a President has been elected who has a Cuba strategy different from the one you think it should be.
ReplyDeleteWow. Either you are being intentionally obtuse or you genuinely have lost your marbles.
Well, um, hey....good luck Manuel. I'm sure you'll be around in some form or another, because you sure can't stay away.
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Rick:
ReplyDeleteAs I recall, you didn't believe that I would close RCAB either.
With Barack Obama having pledged to give Castro everything he wants "without preconditions," Cuban-American blogs, or, at least, those devoted to fighting the Castro dictatorship, have become irrelevant, and a review of Cuban-American blogs even more irrelevant.
You are not Cuban and I don't expect you to see that when most Cuban bloggers don't.
You can be sure, however, that the Babalunians will never change and that there will always be much hypocrisy there for you to plumb.
Good luck.
Oh Manuel, just STFU. This is by far your worst post. Which is for some odd reason, surprises me.
ReplyDeleteFidel, over the course of the last 50 years has destroyed Cuba, not Obama. But if you feel it necessary to foist the last 50 years upon Obama, go ahead. The nation stills needs a group to laugh at.
Tellechea may be correct, or incorrect, in the end we shall find out anyway.
ReplyDeleteRick, for someone as suppossedly commited to democracy as you claim to be, you seem to always give yourself and anyone with whom you agree the benefit of the doubt, all in the spirit of tolerance and democratic respect, except of course never for people who disagree with you, Rick it is you who IS obtuse, in fact, you are a pompous prick, but we already knew that, including you Rick.
Tellechea, for an writer with a blog named RCAB, you have failed on that respect, admit it, shut down with no open ended thread left as a loophole and be done with your pomposity and arrogance, you and Rick deserve each other, both of you should consider coauthoring a blog, it would be the ultimate expression and delivery of pomposity bar none.
P.S. Before you morons even think of going there, I am not a Babalunian, so I say to you what I'd say to the comemierdas at Babalublog, shove it and shut the fuck up.
*With Barack Obama having pledged to give Castro everything he wants "without preconditions*
ReplyDeleteCastro is dead. Cuba is waiting until Bush leaves, as not to give him credit. Just like the Iranians waited until Jimmy Carter left, so they could release to hostages.
Castro is dead, the timing of the release of the news will blossom in a few days.
fantomas:
ReplyDeleteYou have been with Obama from the first so at least you can't be accused of opportunism; but you are wrong, of course, and time will reveal that to you.
P.S. Before you morons even think of going there, I am not a Babalunian, so I say to you what I'd say to the comemierdas at Babalublog, shove it and shut the fuck up.
ReplyDelete1/19/2009 7:05 PM
Yah, but i know exactly who you are. Your secret will remain safe with me.
john:
ReplyDeleteIt's a moot point now, but when I write "Castro" nowadays I mean the regime, not the man.
brigadista:
ReplyDeleteProse has a DNA and nobody is better at mapping it than me.
Gaaawd, Foxnews said that they couldnt broadcast from the mall in D.C. like MSNBC or CNN, because they thought it was too dangerous for them.
ReplyDeleteLOL,
Fantomas:
ReplyDeleteKeep in mind that you are being watched, don't say later that you were not advised.
When you finally deliver your long promised "cabilla" remember that we have bigger ones, all aimed at you and your superior.
Have you guys heard RadioObama.
ReplyDeleteMan, 24/7 hard-hitting commentary. Scarey stuff, if you arent an Obama support.
It almost seems like they are programming Obama zombies.
Scarey, scarey stuff.
Manuel A.Tellechea said...
ReplyDeletefantomas:
You have been with Obama from the first so at least you can't be accused of opportunism; but you are wrong, of course, and time will reveal that to you.
I rather be wrong with Obama than right with Mc Cain
Obama is a uniter, M cAin would have been a divider
ReplyDeleteObama will attract millions, Mc Cain would have attracted thousands
In regards to Cuba Obama will get things moving, with Mc Cain it would have been stationery
Oh, how we shall miss the rants of a 48 year old Cuban-American who left Cuba as an infant and has no first hand knowledge of what he speaks. And yet, in a post you said you refuse to vote, for this is not your country. The country which has fed and sheltered you for your 48 years is not good enough for you. You did not vote when your voice mattered most. Now you are taking your toys and going home.
ReplyDeleteFew will be the people who miss your presumptive rants and screeds. Even fewer will be those who miss the psychotropic-induced ramblings of Fantomas, who as of tomorrow, will be without an audience.
2009 may turn out to be a good year after all.
Adios, Mr. Tellechea. Hopefully you will celebrate your 50th birthday in your free Cuba.
Adios, Mr. Tellechea. Hopefully you will celebrate your 50th birthday in your free Cuba.
ReplyDelete1/19/2009 9:00 PM
Cuba may be free, but Manuel will not be celebrating in it, if he struts around bragging about his support for Mccain/Palin, and bad-mouthing Obama. No sir, the Cubans islanders will most certainly and quickly, put a knife in his gut. But that is the case in the majority of the nations around the world.
OBAMA IS A COMETH!!!
P.S.
Even Israel is scared of Obama. Why do you think they are getting out of Gaza, by noon tomorrow.
OBAMA IS A COMETH!!
"This is the way the world ends.
ReplyDeleteThis is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but a whimper."
RCAB was the life mission of the hollow man of the blogosphere, a man possessed of a real God-given talent, but wasted in a vain attempt to impose his vision on others. Ultimately, RCAB was an unsuccessful two-year exercise in sophomoric vengeance and sophistry. I will not miss the effluvium coming out of this blog.
All I can say in praise of Brutus is that that at least he is a writer -- with a capital "W" -- which is more than I can say for so many other delusional pretenders.
(P.S. I'll be looking out for your new blog.)
El post de Fantomas sera en español el idioma de todos los cubanos. Los babalusianos tambien cogeran su descarga. De eso no hay duda ya Fantomas me lo confirmo
ReplyDeleteManuel for gods sake open your sitemeter in this your final night. I would love to see how many american cubans de la mafia de miami entran a leerte
ReplyDeleteFantomas ahora si la cagastes . El comando te ajusticiara esta semana
ReplyDeleteSolamente disfrutaras 4 dias de tu Presidente Hussein
Tellechea Remember the open thread
ReplyDeleteIt will be the only way we can keep the bubuluusianos in check. I'm confident they will visit you regardless you are not here
El poodle se quedo sin amo.Ricardo Montalban is dead
ReplyDeleteManuel Tellechea
ReplyDeleteYOU SHOULD NOT CLOSE THIS BLOG
NOT NOW
NOT NOW
BY POPULAR DEMAND , PLEASE VOTE
SHOULD TELLECHEA CLOSE THIS BLOG
YES
NO
MAKE YOURSELF HEARD, VOTE
The open ended thread idea is the same as keeping this blog open, sorry Fantomas, you will have to find another place to unleash your insanity, if the people that are after you don't kill your sorry ass before that.
ReplyDeleteTellechea gave his word that RCAB would be closed, that is what he should do.
This blog is not a god damn democracy, votes don't count, Tellechea be a man and keep to your word, shut down the den of sophistry.
less than 2 hours for closing
ReplyDeleteKeep your Gentleman's word , Mr Manuel Alberto
the car is ready
all expenses paid by Fantomas and Obama
The open ended thread idea is the same as keeping this blog open, sorry Fantomas, you will have to find another place to unleash your insanity, if the people that are after you don't kill your sorry ass before that.
ReplyDeleteTellechea gave his word that RCAB would be closed, that is what he should do.
This blog is not a god damn democracy, votes don't count, Tellechea be a man and keep to your word, shut down the den of sophistry.
1/19/2009 9:44 PM
Sorry bubalu, Fantomas llego para quedarse here , there , anywhere , you have to deal with that for the rest of your sorry lives
Fantomas , man you always end up scaring the readers of this blog
ReplyDeleteChill out , man , take a breather
Vana dear ¿donde se encuentra usted hoy señora? ¿que le pasa a su bocarrona? ¿se le acabaron las ganas de cagarse fuera del cajon? confiese dear, usted me va a hechar tremendo de menos, y yo nunca me acordare de sus cagaleras y de su boca de solareña, good riddance to you Vana la loca del solar.
ReplyDeleteSi se atreve a decir algo, acuerdese de cagarse fuera del cajon en español, el idioma que hablamos casi todos los cubanos.
Mansuelo donde estan tus otros comentaristas habituales, la Calabaza, la Vana, el Angel Calzoncillo, el Trastornao y agrio Farinas el farolero, las hurracas CB y KC, te dejaron solo Mansuelo, eres como el Titanic cuando naufrago, todo el mundo salto de el, ni botes salvavidas te dejaron Mansuelo, yo te lo adverti y ahora la prueba es realidad, te jodiste Mansuelo, te jodiste.
Val Prieto= Fantomas
ReplyDeleteFantomas= Val Prieto
Brigadista= Fantomas
Fantomas = Brigadista
Coche funebre= fantomas
fantomas = cohce funebre
Manuel = fantomas
fantomas= Manuel
Mansuelo donde estan tus otros comentaristas habituales, la Calabaza, la Vana, el Angel Calzoncillo, el Trastornao y agrio Farinas el farolero, las hurracas CB y KC, te dejaron solo Mansuelo, eres como el Titanic
ReplyDeleteManuel would you please come out clean in your final night..
How many charaters did you play besides playing Fantomas all along
Al impostor que ha usado mi nombre todo este tiempo le digo que hay un solo centurion el original. El que nunca hablo ingles. El que siempre hablo el idioma de Jose Marti de Cervantes y de Mario Moreno. Ese soy yo y vengo a despedirme del director del Blog Que dios lo ilumine siempre
ReplyDeleteManuel before you go 2 questions
ReplyDeleteWho was the biggest troll in this blog?
Who are Nancy and Barbara?
About a year ago Fantomas overtook this blog completely
ReplyDeleteHe is the biggest troll
Without a doubt Manuel himself was the biggest troll
ReplyDeleteIn distant second was Alex Hernandez, NY
Third place Fantomas
Y los babalusianos last in fourth place. No medals for Babalu Inc
ReplyDeleteVal Prieto= Jabao, borracho, pelo malo
ReplyDeleteFantomas el centurion no le aumentes el sufrimiento infernal a Vana chico, esta es la ultima noche de este prostibulo y la ramera boquisucia se queda ahora sin su chulo Manuel, es posible que en un par de dias leamos en el L.A. Times que ella se suicido y dejo una nota para su chulo Manuel, como siempre hasta en esa nota suicida se cagara fuera del cajon.
ReplyDeleteFantomas lo habia pronosticado cuando el barril estaba a 145 dolares
ReplyDelete----------------------
El precio del crudo sigue cayendo y temen que baje a menos 30 U$ $
El precio del barril de petróleo siguió cayendo este lunes por la preocupación de los mercados ante el debilitamiento de la demanda en todo el mundo, según los inversores.
» ver artículo completo | 68 comentarios » 10:24 am - El crudo cae a esta hora a US$ 36,07 en Asia
No te vistas que no vas
ReplyDeleteEl secretario de Defensa de Estados Unidos, Robert Gates, pasará este martes la ceremonia de investidura de Barack Obama en un lugar no revelado tras haber sido seleccionado como "sucesor" designado del presidente en caso de catástrofe.
Si mañana matan a Obama y Biden, él será el nuevo presidente de EEUU
ReplyDeleteManuel no cierres esto se pone bueno ahora
ReplyDeleteForget what Fantomas told you
Keeep it open
Tu eres el unico que tiene los pantalones de enfrentarte a Babalu
Fantomas does not have what it takes to do the forementioned task
Que siga el circo
ReplyDeletePan y vino
Go Cards
Fantomas you're full of shit, the succession order doesn't work that way you lier.
ReplyDeletelook it up, it is a true fact
El secretario de Defensa de Estados Unidos, Robert Gates, pasará este martes la ceremonia de investidura de Barack Obama en un lugar no revelado tras haber sido seleccionado como “sucesor” designado del presidente en caso de catástrofe.
Según informó la portavoz de la Casa Blanca, Dana Perino, “para garantizar la continuidad en el Gobierno el secretario de Defensa Robert Gates ha sido seleccionado por la Administración saliente, con la aquiescencia de la Administración entrante, como sucesor designado durante el día de la investidura”.
El Gobierno de Estados Unidos tiene por costumbre designar a un sucesor presidencial, que permanece alejado de los eventos, para los actos multitudinarios de gran importancia, como puede ser el discurso anual sobre el Estado de la Nación, que el presidente pronuncia ante ambas cámaras del Congreso.
La idea de esta práctica es que, si ocurre algún tipo de catástrofe, quede una persona con mando claro al frente del país.
En este caso, la selección de Gates es particularmente idónea porque se trata del responsable del Pentágono y porque, tras haber ocupado el cargo durante el mandato del presidente saliente George W. Bush, Obama le ha pedido que continúe durante el suyo.
Vía EFE
Chill , it is only for Tuesday
ReplyDeletelol
ReplyDeleteNow you're talking, that catastrophic event would entail the death or disablement of all other successors to the President
ReplyDeleteFantomas where is yout final post?
ReplyDeleteVana dear sal de la cueve que todo el mundo sabe que tu estas aqui
ReplyDeletegeorge:
ReplyDeleteNo great work ever fails to bear fruit, even if it's only the accent mark on Babalú's masthead or the banishment of Val's "Human Pressure Cooker." I never expected much more since my work was not one of reform but admonition. To think for a moment that I could have opened Val's eyes would have made me as blind as him. My purpose was to open everybody else's eyes and I believe that I have succeeded.
Great artists also work in miniature, but they will not remain great artists if they insist on painting only vignettes.
So, yes, I will move on, but my experiments in literary blogging, or blogging of any kind, are over.
I wish you and the other Babalunians, who were my first readers and have stayed with me for the duration, my best wishes for the coming 4 years, which will no doubt prove more cathartic for you than the last two.
Manuel:
ReplyDeleteThat dreaded day is upon us, I wish you weren't closing this fine blog, I know you are a gentleman and will do as you say, you're needed in the CA blogsphere and shall be sorely missed by me.
Dear friend I hope our paths cross again, my biggest wish is, you open another blog, if you do let me know.
Bye for now my friend, till we meet again.
White House Says Cheney to Be in Wheelchair Tuesday
ReplyDeleteVice President Cheney will be in a wheelchair for tomorrow's inauguration ceremony, the White House said tonight, after he pulled a muscle in his back.
Cheney was moving into his new house in McLean from the Naval Observatory when he hurt his back moving boxes, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said.
The vice president's doctor found no significant damage from the injury, Perino said. Nevertheless, he advised Cheney to spend the next couple of days in a wheelchair.
"The vice president is looking forward to being there for tomorrow's historic inaugural activities," Perino said.
Vana dear you never even met Mansuelo, se volvio a cagar fuera del cajon, ahora acuerdese de suicidarse
ReplyDeleteVana, where are you headed now
ReplyDeleteEl cubano Cafe
Fantomas blog
Zurama
Penultimos
Palma
Calabaza
Manuel you are online now, please answer all questions and open site meter
ReplyDeleteManuel= Fantomas
ReplyDeleteManuel= Vana
Manuel before you go 2 questions
ReplyDeleteWho was the biggest troll in this blog?
Who are Nancy and Barbara?
Your experiment is over
ReplyDeleteQue comemierda tu eres Manuel, me alegro muchisimo que por fin se acabara esta mierda y se clausura el prostibulo, tu puta Vana se queda sin chulo, que par de idiotas
ReplyDeletefantomas:
ReplyDeleteI had never imagined that you would suffer a mental breakdown if this blog closed. Well, actually I did, though that was not my intent in closing it.
One of your multiple personalities is begging me to leave an open thread while another admonishes me not to.
I do not see how I can satisfy both of you unless I leave a link to The Madhouse and let you preside over it. I do not know who would join you there since all my principal commenters have preceded me out the door. But if you wish to "poner cátedra" there, you are welcome. It is, after all, the "Fantomas Memorial Madhouse" and you have been its only occupant.
Vana:
ReplyDeleteLet us always keep in touch, my friend. The closing of this blog will actually give me more time to write to you and the other commenters that made blogging an enjoyable experience for me.
anonymous:
ReplyDeleteHow touching! You wish to join fantomas in The Madhouse after nearly two years on the hot seat. Can't get enough, can you?
Manuel:
ReplyDeleteI plan to stay in touch with you, no doubt about it, you have a special place in my heart dear friend.
Acuerdese de suicidarse Vana, hablaremos de sus aventuras con el cajon en
ReplyDeletewww.notiuno.com
tic .... tac .... tic .... tac .... tic .... tac ....
ReplyDeletefantomas:
ReplyDeleteGo to bed already. Remember that tomorrow you have nothing to do.
The End
ReplyDeleteMuchas gracias a todos por escribir en español, el idioma de todos los cubanos.
ReplyDeleteY mucho cuidado.. los impostores abundan.
The end is January 20th at 11:59 AM.
ReplyDeleteGood bye and good riddance rubber head, I hardly knew yee, and what I knew I did not like.
ReplyDeleteFantomOn:
ReplyDeleteWhere is your cabilla ?
Vana:
ReplyDeleteThere is a silver lining in every cloud.
Fantomas:
ReplyDeleteGargajo de perro sarnoso... Donde estas, sal de tu cueva.
Manuel:
ReplyDeleteLOL..So true
"a man possessed of a real God-given talent, but wasted in a vain ATTEMPT TO IMPOSE HIS VISION ON OTHERS."
ReplyDeleteLOL .. me cago de la risa George.
You are talking about BlaBlaBlooo writers.. right ?
STOP CENSORING--- HYPOCRITE ...
fantomas:
ReplyDeleteYour great-aunt Tecla is calling you to bed.
MAT,
ReplyDeletesorry you have hed to close down but I am sure you will be back in some form or another.
The sacred cause of Cuban freedom could always do with a mordant and incisive pen like yours. Keep in touch friend.
As you say there is always a silver lining in ever cloud. We will not have to read any more foulmouthed stupidities from Fantom-ass, Centurion and all of his other multiple personalities and that other scumbag Cuban hater who calls himself John aka Lou Dobbs who lives in that hellhole in Indiana. Next time you open a blog MAT, please try to have comment moderation so you do not get the foulmouthed comments such as the one from those two named above and many others of their ilk. Salud Manuel. Enjoy your sabatical.
Manuel,
ReplyDeleteChange will inevitably come to the island. That said, it won’t arrive in the way we had either hoped or predicted. Those who bear the responsibility of having installed the island’s present dictatorship will die free men and while this is without-a-doubt – unfortunate and unjust – it will indeed untie the hands of those younger g-men who desire to show their true faces. Once the two brothers have departed this life for judgment in another, there will be those in the Havana hierarchy who will be unshackled from the Castro machine. This is inevitable.
Now the question becomes – will Cuba ever return to the state of prosperity and general well-being it enjoyed prior to Fidel & Co.? Set aside the problems of the Batista administration – and we must admit that there were indeed problems with it. Cuban infrastructure was – as we all know – on par with other developed nations like the United States. The literacy rate was one of the highest in Latin America and the Cuban peso – again as we all know – was at several times – valued above the U.S. dollar. Business was thriving – to put it bluntly. Will she ever return to that level of development? Unfortunately, I’m not so sure. But when I find myself feeling down about that prospect, I look to Japan – a nation that was able to completely turn itself around after a devastating war, occupation (granted the occupiers assisted greatly in its redevelopment) and two atomic bombs. If Japan was able to do it – why not Cuba? I am, I suppose, “on the fence.”
One bright spot to the transition to an Obama administration is the return of pre-Bush regulations regarding family visits and remittances. We – those Cubans who have been lucky enough to have escaped that fiery hell and re-emerge in the light of some semblance of freedom – have the best chance of ushering in our own democracy via re-connecting with our brothers and sisters still on the island. But we must take care – swallowing any pride and arriving humbly. The older generations must shelve there feelings of “I told you so” and live in the now while respecting the past.
I believe we can do it. We must – for if not – we must be prepared to divorce ourselves from all-things-Cuban – forget about her forever and live as if she had never existed. I for one, am not willing to do that.
-Anatasio Blanco
Agustín:
ReplyDeleteWith our friend Vana, you were the first regular commenter on RCAB and your knowledge and insight added immeasurably to the success of this blog, not to mention your herculean efforts to teach civility to Fantomas, which was a task even harder than that which I imposed on myself in respect to Val.
We both need some rest from our labors, I think; but only to gather strength for future ones.
and that other scumbag Cuban hater who calls himself John aka Lou Dobbs
ReplyDelete1/20/2009 8:12 AM
The worst Cuban haters, are the Cuban exiles, who wish to "pressure cook" Cuba, even more then the United States. Their words have a more harmful effect, then my words ever good.
Having said that, as my last post in the C-A blosisphere. I do wish you C-A good luck. Cuba's freedom will always be important to me. As someone who saw the face of communism in Bosnia.
Manuel, is one of the few Cuban exiles that actually gets it. Unfortunately, he like so many others, ignorantly sold his soul to xenophobics republicans, in the hopes that they would give him back his nation. Even with the knowledge, that the xenophobics fear the Spanish-speaker.
Nevertheless, as i said this is my last post. As the C-A has ceased to exist as a community to listen to. It is unfortunate, as they once had the attention of the world, during the Elian situation, and immediately after they made President Bush.
Unfortunately for the Cuban, they failed to teach the world, about Fidel. Instead, they felt their only duty was to shake their finger at their percieved enemies, and support Bush's effort to free the Iraqis.
Good luck to you Cuban immigrants. You can never say that you didnt have an opportunity to free your nation. You had nearly 8 years to be proactive. Instead your leading voices chose to drink beer, cheer the Miami Heat, photoshop silly pictures of your hated Hollywood stars, and show pictures of the latest Cuban cuisines.
Shame on you, shame on all of you!!
Sincerely,
John Bishop
Oh my god, a Cuban immigrant has designed the dress for Micelle Obama. No wonder why it is so ugly. Some famous Cuban immigrant designer. Go goole it.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what that means.
P.S.
Its an ugly outfit.
Manuel:
ReplyDeleteThe minutes are ticking away, when I wake up tomorrow there shall be no post from you, I'm finding it hard to reconcile with that, you will be sorely missed in the CA blogsphere, rest a while my friend, perhaps in the near future you'll find the strength to open another blog to delight us with your sense of humor.
Good bye for now dear friend and don't forget to write me, I will do likewise.
anatasio:
ReplyDeleteThe future will bring change. Of that there can be no doubt. But not all change will take us closer to our goal of a free Cuba: free and prosperous, hopefully, but free in any case.
Post-war Japan recovered because the United States imposed on it a democratic Constitution and government.
Although I would not want the U.S. to impose anything on Cuba (its past efforts at "nation-building" having effectively destroyed our country), I do believe it has a moral and historical obligation to do everything in its power to remove the evil that it imposed on our people 50 years ago, or, at the very least, to do nothing to obstruct its removal.
Obama, rather than confront and undermine the dictatorship, will contribute to its perpetuation. "No preconditions" means carte blanche for the Castro regime to continue oppressing the Cuban people and a commitment on the part of the U.S. to do nothing to remove or even to reprove it.
This new "Obama Doctrine," or "Bad Neighbor Policy," defines "self-determination" as the right of (left-wing) tyrants to determine the future of their countries without consulting the will of the people or being subject to international sanctions for violating their human rights.
Bush's idiotic restrictions on remittances and family visits will allow Obama to do one humane thing for the Cuban people by rescinding them before he proceeds to commit a thousand wrongs against them.
john:
ReplyDeleteThe same Cuban designer's last creation for Michelle Obama was a black and red dress that reproduced the flag of the "July 26th Movement."
*Obama, rather than confront and undermine the dictatorship*
ReplyDeleteBut yet, Bush did not confront and undermine the dictatorship.
Why the disparity of outrage Manuel?
Vana usted hasta el ultimo segundo sigue comportandose como una prostituta esclava, que falta de verguenza, que mentalidad tan insuficiente, no vaya a Penultimos o a ningun otro blog cubano señora, usted no solo es bruta, usted es un bochorno a todos los cubanos.
ReplyDeletejohn:
ReplyDeleteBush did not recognize the Castro regime or lift the trade embargo. Barack Hussein Obama will do both.
Mansuelo sal del closet ya y confieza que eres un negro homosexual, acaba ya y deja de hablar tanta mierda
ReplyDelete*But yet, Bush did not confront and undermine the dictatorship.*
ReplyDelete*Bush did not recognize the Castro regime or lift the trade embargo. Barack Hussein Obama will do both.*
Those are two very different standards.
Hey Manuel, it is over for the Cuban immigrant community. You will never be allowed to apply your double-standards, sliding-scale, and hyprocricy EVER again in my nation!!
Mira quien tiene la cara de palo de hablar de bochorno, ¡la mierda mas chusma que ha dado Cuba! no te equivoques solareño fanto, que a mi no me veras mas la cara.
ReplyDeleteWell, this is THE END.
ReplyDeleteWell, this is THE END.
ReplyDelete1/20/2009 11:58 AM
No, you still have a another minute or two minute.
:)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/
ReplyDeleteIn many ways it is good that you close this blog. Though I've found an interesting community in Cuban blogdom, the real work for Cuba here in the US lies outside of blogging. What must happen is the preservation and transmitting of what a free Cuba should be and can be. Damn yourself if in leaving this blog you stop writing and speaking out for a free Cuba in general. I hope to come across your name again in the coming years as I did when I picked up your translation of versos sencillos almost half a decade ago--years before the birth of this blog.
ReplyDeleteI discovered a picture of Val and his mancamp. They seem happy.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crewclub.net/
E.P.D. MAT (or R.I.P) You embodied the imperious nature of the Balarts, the Coulter, the Hannity, the Roura etc. I'm sure you'll make great fossil fuel one day. If you were equine you'd be a pony and only have between 0 and 2 two tricks. If you were a magician (I'm sure you wish) you'd have to be the greatest with only one up your sleeve. That being said it's people like you that stir the pot (try smoking it one day) and we need you, because even a a broken watch is right 2 times a day. Good Luck Manuel A. Tellechea I mean it
ReplyDeleteregards, V (and not for vendetta)
Is this the final open thread post?
ReplyDeleteWell, Well, WEll, well
ReplyDeletewhat do we have here now?
Should I continue or Should I go
Need feedbacks
Mr President,
ReplyDeleteThis could very well be the final open thread
waiting to hear from Manuel Alberto
Manuel,
ReplyDeleteMany thanks for your time and energy on this blog. I am sorry to see it go. I hope to run into you again somewhere in the cyberworld.
Lucy
Well, even though the apocalyptic Obama predictions were a bit over the top towards the end, this blog was always fun to read.
ReplyDeleteTake care and good luck.
JC
fantomas,
ReplyDeleteIf you can't find an open door use a window.
fantomas,
ReplyDeleteIf you can't find an open door use a window.
1/20/2009 4:24 PM
The cabilla will do just fine , thanks
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ReplyDeleteY ahora vengo con mi segundo lema del 2009 despues de
ReplyDeleteEn el 2009 con Fantomas y con Obama no hay que buscar mas nada
....
"EN MENOS DE UN AÑO OBAMA SE CONVERTIRA EN EL PRESIDENTE CUBANO MAS POPULAR EN LA HISTORIA DE CUBA"
Well, even though the apocalyptic Obama predictions were a bit over the top towards the end,
ReplyDelete1/20/2009 4:20 PM
No, Manuel is right, Obama will be apocalyptic for the Cuban exile community. However, the rest of the world will prosper. If you are not a right-wing Cuban immigrant, then you need not worry.
If you are a right-wing Cuban immigrant, then i will find a big rock and hide under it.
If you are a right-wing Cuban immigrant, then i will find a big rock and hide under it.
ReplyDeletejohn the right wing cuban miami crowd is fading fast..
Look out for the millions of Cuban Obamites...be careful when choosing your words
U were up early this morning Fanto !!!! No clients last night ??
ReplyDeleteThanks for the great ride Manuel! I'm sorry to see your closing and doubt I could say anything to the contrary to make you stay open. Oh yeah, you already covered this in an earlier post but I felt like I needed to say it again because I promised a friend: the plug will be pulled on Fidel today or sometime after and his body will be presented to the Obama administration as a good will gesture. Good riddance to Barry (and the Communist system in Cuba)!
ReplyDeletejohn the right wing cuban miami crowd is fading fast..
ReplyDeleteLook out for the millions of Cuban Obamites...be careful when choosing your words
1/20/2009 5:15 PM
Cuban immigrants are the only group in the world that hates Obama. Look up the stats. The world doesnt need the support of the Cuban immigrants to move beyond the Bush years.
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ReplyDeleteCuban immigrants are the only group in the world that hates Obama. Look up the stats. The world doesnt need the support of the Cuban immigrants to move beyond the Bush years
ReplyDeleteBe extremely careful John , the Cuban american Obama bandwagon will fill pretty fast
Believe me I know why i'm saying this
I know mi gente
1/20/2009 6:16 PM
Be extremely careful John , the Cuban american Obama bandwagon will fill pretty fast
ReplyDeleteBelieve me I know why i'm saying this
I know mi gente
1/20/2009 6:16 PM
I hope not, every movement, needs some type of rabid opposition to sustain itself. I can think of no better opposition then the xenophobic racist republicans, and their Cuban immigrant self-hating supporters.
FANTOMAS NEEDS COMMENTS
ReplyDeleteI promised Mansuelo we will reach someday 1 million comments in this his final thread
Dont make me look bad people
lol
Please close this blog Manuel. It is useless.Buh bye.
ReplyDeleteFantomas you will have to write the 1 million comments yourself
ReplyDeleteMansuelo se llevo a sus payasos
Todos eran el por eso no regresan
Yo se que si tu te lo propones tu solo puedes llegar a tan codiciada marca
Going once
Going twice
Sold
And one more thing-Fantomas, REMOVE THE RUBBER FROM YOUR HEAD AND GET A JOB! Buh bye.
ReplyDeleteThose who want this blog closed will have to deal with the fact that Manuel is a man of Word
ReplyDeleteIt will never close
Do not waste your time folks
If Manuel were to close it , he would loose all his work in Google blogger cache on the WWW
More than a thousand posts cant go to waste
No Way
And one more thing-Fantomas, REMOVE THE RUBBER FROM YOUR HEAD AND GET A JOB! Buh bye.
ReplyDeleteFantomas is waiting for an Obama green Job opening
It pays better than Bush
O B A M A
ReplyDeleterepeat after me
O B A M A
COMMANDER IN CHIEF
COMANDANTE EN JEFE OBAMA ORDENE
SI ME LLAMAN COMUNISTA LOS PONDRE A TODOS EN LA LISTA
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ReplyDelete999, 866 more comments to go
Fantomas we are getting close bro
YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE
And one more thing: BABALUBLOG rocks!!!rcab sucks, IMHO -buh bye for good. Buh bye.
ReplyDeleteAnd one more thing: BABALUBLOG rocks!!!rcab sucks, IMHO -buh bye for good. Buh bye
ReplyDeleteOBAMA TAMBIEN CERRO BABALU
SON DINOSAURIOS YA
ATENCION CABALLERO
ReplyDeleteFantomas ahora es dueño de este blog oficialmente debido al abandono de su anterior dueño
Aqui van a cambiar muchas cosas a partir de ahora
Asi que presten atencion al proximo comunicado de Mr Fantomas
Change is coming to America
ReplyDeleteFantomas,
ReplyDeleteVal Prieto, Geroge Moneo and Henry Gomez are drinking your famous Obama's Biberon... Word has it that you sent them 3 Colt 45 Kegs for today's inauguration. Is that what is inside the bibi
Is that true , Fantomon
44th said...
ReplyDeleteChange is coming to America
1/20/2009 9:31 PM
No, Sir Fantomas ...Change is coming to Babalu..real soon
Fantomas
ReplyDeleteYou rock dude, keep it going my man
Don't let it die
AND STOP REWRITNG MY THOUGHTS AS A PREAMBLE TO YOUR SYLLY CONNENTS BUH BYE!
ReplyDeleteBuh Bye dude
ReplyDeletedrink up
Val " colt 45 " Prieto
ReplyDeletePoor right-wing Cubans, you wanted a divided racist nation, in order to get a free Cuba.
ReplyDeleteInstead, we have a united nation, that appreciate different races, greeds, and colors.
john longfellow aka lou dobbs said...
ReplyDeletePoor right-wing Cubans, you wanted a divided racist nation, in order to get a free Cuba.
Instead, we have a united nation, that appreciate different races, greeds, and colors.
1/20/2009 10:36 PM
Yeah, but one nation according to you that doesn't appreciate Cuban Americans. Shut the hell up idiot. You sure spend alot of time here for hating Cuban Americans so much.
10 comments per day = 3650 per year
ReplyDelete100 comments per day = 36500 per year
1000 comments per day = 365000 per year
2740 comments per day = 1 million (and change)
You can't do it fantomas.
Give up.
Born to lose.
john longfellow aka lou dobbs=Cuban WANNABE!
ReplyDeleteDude, seriously, why do you attack so much? Obviously you fear something. What is it?
Dude, seriously, why do you attack so much?
ReplyDelete1/20/2009 11:08 PM
Same reason why you right wing Cuban immigrants attack Democrats so much. Tit for Tat. But now, there are tens of millions more of us now.
GO TO WAR WITH US, I DARE YOU!!
2740 comments per day = 1 million (and change)
ReplyDeleteYou can't do it fantomas.
Give up.
-ok lets take a zero off
100, 000
please do the count again
Born to win at any cost, my way
You can do it, fantomas.
ReplyDeleteDon't eat.
Don't sleep.
Don't have sex (that's an easy one).
And you will reach 1,000,000 comments.
Go, fantomas!!!
Ra, Ra, Ra!!!
For 100,000 you need to post 274 comments per day.
ReplyDeleteYou still can't do it.
Listen , this is the only blog where we can keep the babalusians in check
ReplyDeletethey will not have an easy ride for the next 4 years with Mannuel's ausencia
I will be here, on this same local , heck we may even reach 5 milion comments by 2012
What is Ra, ra , ra
For 100,000 you need to post 274 comments per day.
ReplyDeleteYou still can't do it.
Cmon man , let me dream a little, this is fun
We cant kill fidel anymore , loosen up
change arrived to washington , be happy dude
It's a cheer.
ReplyDeleteThe only way you can reach 100,000 or 1 million comments is to cut and paste from other blogs.
You can't make that many comments yourself.
Only fantomas can defeat fantomas.
ReplyDeleteOnly fantomas can have sex with fantomas.
ReplyDeleteEStoy dispuesto a tomarte una colt 45 con Val en nostalgia
ReplyDeleteYo pago
Ahora mismo 44 esta bailando en vivo por CNn
ReplyDeletehttp://edition.cnn.com/video/fb/facebook.html?stream=stream1
Lets all go together and change America ...and Cuba of course
ReplyDeleteHey I'm doing my part towards the 100k , I dont know about you
ReplyDeleteFidel castro y raul must be watching now the dance off between Obama and Michelle
Fantomas being Fantomas
ReplyDelete"EN MENOS DE UN AÑO OBAMA SE CONVERTIRA EN EL PRESIDENTE CUBANO MAS POPULAR EN LA HISTORIA DE CUBA"
ReplyDeleteFantomas Jan 20th 2009
Coño fantomas, te la comiste caballo
Gracias, gracias no es para tanto
ReplyDeleteFantomas where is the former?
ReplyDeleteEl former se esfumo de la faz de la tierra. Y se salvo que no lo toque con limon con la cabilla antes de irse. Para esos hardcore fans que se preguntan porque no le escribi mi post final al former les digo sigan visitando este mi segundo blog ahora que pronto muy pronto me inspirare para finalizar lo prometido
ReplyDeleteFantomas , que paso que Obama no te invito al Spanish Ball . Yo pense que tu estarias alli junto a Marc Anthony
ReplyDeleteHacia mucho frio en DC, I will visit him in May after Nostalgia
ReplyDeletePero Fantomas chico me hubieras pedido un abrigo ,, guantes y botas de nieve, yo te hubiese ayudado con eso
ReplyDeleteGracias señora , sera en una proxima ocasion . saludeme a Manuel de mi parte
ReplyDeleteI can't get this man off my back. Fantomas please take him with you. He is taking his medication now Cialis and so far I have not been able to walk .My husband is a sex machine now with more free time
ReplyDeleteCoño, Manuel cogelo suave compadre mira que a esa edad te puede dar un patatun. Recuerda con cialis tendras una ereccion de 36 horas . No podras concentrarte en tus traducciones de los Versos sencillos
ReplyDeleteFantomas vete preparando dice Zoe Valdez que a fifo lo sacan el 28
ReplyDeleteManuel si lo sacan el 28 tendras que reescribir la historia ya no serian versos sencillos sino Versos complicados
A partir de hoy se levantan las restricciones de viajes a Cuba y las remesas aumentan de 300 a 1000
ReplyDeleteChupate esa Val
Val la olla esta a punto de explotar , baja la candela que vuelves a perder el techo muchacho
ReplyDeleteEl designado(a) de Obama para proximo Jefe de la Seccion de Intereses en Cuba
ReplyDeleteJoe G, Mel, or Janet Reno
Read my latest piece at Pajamas media where I take on the newspaper editorial boards and think tanks that are lobbying for a complete capitulation to castro, inc.
ReplyDeletePosted by Henry Louis Gomez at 12:08 AM | Permanent Link to this Post | Habla (0)
Coño henry a quien se le ocurre escribir algo donde la gente duerme( pajamas) todo el tiempo. quien te lee kid(5)
To be fair, I never really watched the past inaugurations, either, except for President Reagan's. But after a local special on all things Obama last night here in Philly- the Obama Super Store in DC, the bobbleheads, the flags, the shirts, the mugs, the plates, the candles, the soaps, the plush dolls, the sneakers, the interviews... I just simply had my fill.
ReplyDeleteGod Bless America and the new President.
Posted by Claudia4Libertad at 11:52 PM | Permanent Link to this Post | Habla (1)
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Nice said Babe Fanelli. How bout those Cards. Say hello to Mc Nabb if you see him
Here's a shot of some of these wankers from the local lefty blogosphere ball. Party on fellas ....
ReplyDeletePosted by Cigar Mike at 10:34 PM | Permanent Link to this Post | Habla (0)
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Hey Mike your biberon is ready too
wasn't particularly impressed with President Obama's inaugural speech. And the poem afterwards is, um, pretty bad.
ReplyDeletePosted by Val Prieto at 12:31 PM | Permanent Link to this Post | Habla (23)
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Hey Val I rather have that speech instead of poor old Mc same: Chill bro. Have one on me
KEEP THEM COMING
ReplyDeleteFANTOMAS NEEDS COMMENTS
PLEDGE NOW
Ya , vete a dormir que mañana tienes que postear 185 mas
ReplyDeletePlease see the photo of Mr. Val Prieto with President Bush and EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT LOSERS!!! Now, close this blog for good and BUH BYE.
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ReplyDeleteComments: Elevating Myself
ReplyDeleteCongrats!
Posted by FreedomForCuba at January 21, 2009 08:19 AM
Conyooooooooo!...Nice work. Nice pick.
Posted by Humberto at January 21, 2009 08:32 AM
That is beyond awesome.
Posted by AmandaD at January 21, 2009 08:39 AM
cool! I am now a degree removed from a former president
Posted by La Ventanita at January 21, 2009 09:00 AM
Great Pic! Congrats Val, you deserve it. The only thing that could top this is if they announce fidel's death on your birthday tomorrow!
Posted by ORGULLOSADESERCUBANA at January 21, 2009 09:39 AM
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16 contributors only 5 comments so far
Val is our Messiah
ReplyDeleteTHE CHOSEN ONE
lol
Please see the photo of Mr. Val Prieto with President Bush and EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT LOSERS!!!
ReplyDeleteNow, close this blog for good and BUH BYE.
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This battle is not about Val Prieto
What did that photo do to the liberation of Cuba?
Did that photo improve the lives of Cuba
Miles se personas se han retratado con Bush a traves de los años
La foto esta buena para enmarcarla y ponerla en la pared
BUH Bye to you to son
Hey Val, that's yesterday news man, get one with the current if you can. I know you can sell your soul to the highest bidder..All for Cuba , right?
Hey Folks ...
ReplyDeleteunexpected morning meeting ... I will be posting shortly. Please excuse the arrival of some unwanted termites on this site ... it's been taken care of ... :~)
Ms Calabaza
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FANTOMAS IS THE TERMINATOR!!
ReplyDeleteLOS CIEN MIL COMMENTS VAN, VAN!!
ReplyDeleteCON FANTOMAS O SOLOS!!
ReplyDeleteTELLECHEA LO DIJO, Y FANTOMAS LO CUMPLIO!!
ReplyDeleteYa Calabazza me censuro , me borro 3 comments y me boto de alli
ReplyDeleteaqui la lista de mis censuradores
Rui Ferrerira
Penultimos
Babalu
Calabazza pumkindand contradictions
me tengo que ir a trabajar
ReplyDeletelater
Al reves
ReplyDeleteFantomas lo dijo y Manuel cumplio mi orden de dejar un open thread
http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2
ReplyDeleteOur President live NOW
FANTOMAS, TU PUEBLO TE QUIERE Y TE NECESITA!!
ReplyDeleteCON FANTOMAS TODO, Y SIN FANTOMAS NADA!!
ReplyDeletePobrecito Armando Hart, debe estar sufriendo mucho
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ARMANDO HART: UN DOLOR DE CABEZA SI GANA OBAMA
El ex ministro Armando Hart expresó en un artículo de Granma el problema que tendrán los gobernantes cubanos si vence Obama:
''Si cumple su promesa (de aliviar el bloqueo), nacerá una nueva etapa en el combate ideológico entre la revolución cubana y el imperialismo. En ella, para alcanzar la invulnerabilidad ideológica a la que aspiramos, será necesario el diseño de una nueva concepción teórica y propagandística acerca de nuestras ideas y su origen'', argumentó.
''Una amplia migración con distintos objetivos puede venírsenos encima y para ello debemos prepararnos culturalmente'', alertó el ex ministro y dirigente del Partido Comunista.
En su opinión, "la supresión de las limitaciones económicas impuestas a los viajes a Cuba significará que alrededor de un millón de nacidos en esta tierra o sus descendientes pueden venir como turistas o por el interés de entrar nuevamente en contacto con el terruño y sus familiares''.
Hart advirtió que entre los que podrían entrar libremente a la isla habrá "cubanos'' (lo pone entre comillas) contrarios a la revolución, así como estadounidenses "que aspiran a desarrollar relaciones de algún modo'' con el país.
Hart concluye que Cuba tiene "el reto inmenso de cómo enfrentar un tiempo nuevo en la lucha cultural contra el enemigo''. EFE
YA HEMOS PASADO EL JORDAN!!
ReplyDeleteJUNTO VENCEREMOS, O JUNTOS SEREMOS DERROTADOS!!
ReplyDeleteFANTOMAS, LA NINA DEL CAN-CAN!!
ReplyDeleteFANTOMA NEEDS COMMENTS
ReplyDeleteKEEP THEM COMING
WHATEVER IS ON YOUR DIRTY MIND
Need 100 comments today
ReplyDeleteNice pic Val
ReplyDeleteVal you need Splenda
ReplyDeleteSe la debian haber cortado a Armando Hart como a su cuñado. Con sus hijos recien muertos misteriosamente sigue con la misma baba de siempre.
ReplyDeleteVal is splendad.
ReplyDeleteVal es libertad para Cuba
ReplyDeleteVal es paz
ReplyDeleteVal es justicia
Val es oportunidad
Val, Val, Val, Val, is our messiah
It is not about Obama anymore
ReplyDeleteIt is about Val's picture
Yeahhhhhhhhh
only thing that could top this is if they announce fidel's death on your birthday tomorrow!
ReplyDeletePosted by ORGULLOSADESERCUBANA at January 21, 2009 09:39 AM
That's a great picture!
Posted by Tina at January 21, 2009 10:16 AM
Val, I've never met you, but if Hugo Chavez looked one fifth as presidential as you do, maybe I could have more respect for the common sense of the Venezuelan people.
Posted by asombra at January 21, 2009 10:19 AM
Congradulations Val! By the way, I didn't know that you were so tall. Let me see, President Bush, I read, is 5'11" and you look to be a good three inches taller, so you must be about 6'1"?
Posted by Rayarena at January 21, 2009 10:39 AM
Congrats dude.
Despite what all the wankers say, they're gonna miss him and they won't have him to kick around anymore.
Posted by Cigar Mike Pancier at January 21, 2009 10:40 AM
Nice!!! Very cool!
Posted by CubanKeyRat at January 21, 2009 11:39 AM
Great photo, Val.
Posted by j2tharome at January 21, 2009 11:40 AM
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