It is no longer permissible in this country to murder babies piecemeal while they are in the process of being born. The Supreme Court has just this moment upheld the constitutionality of the ban on partial birth abortion.
What is partial birth abortion? It is when doctors sever and smash the heads and limbs of babies who have already taken their first breath in the world but whose feet have not yet exited the birth canal. This is akin to a medieval practice known as "drawing and quartering," which was reserved for traitors and heretics and was always considered the most terrible of deaths (among other tortures, your limbs were torn from you by horses pulling in opposite directions). Of course, no man has been drawn and quartered in 200 years. We live in an "enlightened age" that only does that to babies.
There is no medical justification for this abomination, which has nothing to do with medicine and everything to do with murder. The practice matches and even surpasses anything that Dr. Mengele ever did in his gruesome experiments on concentration camp children (most of whom survived, unlike the victims of partial birth abortions).
Today this country's quotient of humanity has increased. Of course, there is more than one way to kill a baby and all ways are objectionable even the most "benign." Just as slavery brought an awful retribution on this country so shall the culture of abortion on demand bring its own terrible price.
In Communist Cuba, which has the world's highest rate of abortion, and, indeed, cultivates abortion as a "cure" for infant mortality, partial birth abortion is the favorite method because it is the cheapest: hacking someone to death usually is very cheap except for the wear on the hatchet (or scalpel).
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Manny, you know very well that the term "partial birth abortion" is not a medical term, and that doctors don't "sever and smash the limbs" of the fetus. Hysterical mischaracterizations of abortion do nothing but intellectually damage the abortion opponents' position.
Personally, I believe abortion should be an option up until the child turns, say, 18. After that, parents are obligated to permit their offspring to survive.
Steve:
That is exactly what they do, Steve. You don't actually think that they tickle the baby to death? Oh, yes, when they finish severing and smashing its head and limbs the nurse dumps the human remains in the garbage can. Of course, they would like to harvest the stem cells for greater profit but that is not allowed. Odd how something that is supposedly not "viable life" can make life viable for other humans.
I have heard from a reliable source that abortion in Cuba is fertile pasture for their stem cell market. I'ts a great industry for them. When teenage boys and girls go off to La Escuela de Campo (Summer camp ala fidel: forced labor in the fields, no parental visitations, and lack of adult supervision); promiscuity is rampant. To make matters worse, some of these "Teachers" are known for their shady pasts. When the trysts result in pregnancy, abortion is encouraged and facilitated. The girls a re-assured it will be kept secret. Any doctor will tell you that the stem cells of a fetus are the most viable ($$$). In many cases the abortions take place well past the 12th week of gestation. Apparently, their assumption is that the closer to the 24th week, the better the quality of the stem cells. Sometimes the babies attempt to take a breath. In this particular incident, the child was still alive. The nurse was ordered to sufficate the child. When she refused, her superior immediately clasped her hands over the child's face until it died. Dr. Oscar Elias Bizet has denounced these practices, and in fact is one of the reasons why he's kept imprisoned, at times in an underground cell. The infamous "Celdas Tapiadas". Many well-to-do foreigners go to Cuba for stem cell treatments. There's a Cuban neurosurgeon that's been trying to leave the island and join her son in Argentina. Of course, castro will impede her exit at any cost. She's the one that pioneered the procedure. Don't you think our good doctor knows more than she should? This, ladies and gentlemen is Cuba, "The Great Medical Marvel", "La Potencia Medica". Pumping out stem cells like a factory. Working, working non-stop, like the German crematoriums. As it was for the Jews, the world remains silent.
Here's a description, gory enough without the enhancements:
The woman's cervix is dilated, and the fetus is partially removed from the womb, feet first. The surgeon inserts a sharp object into the back of the fetus' head, removes it, and inserts a vacuum tube through which the brains are extracted. The head of the fetus contracts at this point and allows the fetus to be more easily removed from the womb.
-- http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pba1.htm
Nothing about smashing heads or limbs. And nothing pretty. But the choice belongs to the parent with her physician's counsel, not you, not the church, and certainly not the government.
Steve:
Your description of partial birth abortion is even more horrible than mine: "The surgeon inserts a sharp object into the back of the fetus' head, removes it, and inserts a vacuum tube through which the brains are extracted."
Please note that it says that the abortionist "inserts a sharp object" into the baby's head. It does not specify the "object." The "object" can be a scalpel, a mallet or a pencil, whichever is closest at hand. Since it's not considered human life (even if it is living) it doesn't matter what object, sharp or otherwise, the abortionist sticks in the baby's head; he could crush it in his own hands without legal consequences (and perhaps even without professional ones).
If abortion is a personal choice, I have the right to condemn that choice just as you have the right to uphold it. The fact that it is a "personal choice" does not accord it any more legitimacy per se than the "personal choice" to shoot 32 innocent people
jewbana:
If you have nothing to give the young then at least give them the things that cost you nothing. Sex is the only thing that the regime can offer the youth of Cuba; and at that age, especially, sex is a narcotic. So, yes, in Cuba sex is the opiate of the masses, although they don't practice it to much effect given Cuba's declining birthrate (already the the Hemisphere's lowest).
The Castro regime is even more perverse in this respect than Hitler's. The Nazi regime also promoted promiscuity in German youth, but its intentions were to increase the "master race," not deplete or cannibalize it. Castro's stemcell-fueled abortions mills are robbing Cuba of its future.
Not even close, Manny my friend. What you choose to do to your own unborn fetus differs entirely from what you might or might not choose to do to 32 human beings, even if they're relatives and deserve to die. It differs legally as well as morally. Don't be silly: you're cheapening the anti-abortion argument again.
BTW: There's a name for the tool used to crush the skull (no, I don't know it). You can't suck out a brain with a pencil or a drumstick.
I'm not a fan of abortions, of course, but even less a fan of decisions regarding them residing with third parties. That pesky zest I have for maximizing freedom and responsibility: alien concepts to traditional American liberals and conservatives alike.
Steve:
It is true that you can't "suck out" a brain with a pencil much less a drumstick; however, life will seep out of whatever apperture you do make in the brain. This experiment has even been tried on older children and adults by Jeffrey Dahmer with a 100 percent success rate. A hole in the head, whether one is a few minutes old or 100 years old, is not conducive to human life.
Abortion is not a philosophy; it is a business. Neither is abortion a human right, nor any kind of bulwark of liberty. On the contrary, abortion is the most complete and tyrannical denial of freedom — the freedom to be. Life is the first civil right. Without it there are no others because all human rights and freedom itself springs from it.
Manny: Rights begin with birth, not before. If there is a "right to life," it applies to entities that have life to begin with. And even then, there are no absolute rights (altho I favor the view that there are "prima facia rights," one of which is life). So your analysis that other rights are derivative, secondary to life, reduces to the statement that "in order for an entity to have rights, it must exist." Well, yeah. Who would argue for the rights of the non-existent?
Steve:
Exactly, Steve. Whether the baby is in his mother's womb, halfway out the birth canal or completely out, it is a living human being, and as such entitled to all the rights of any other, including and particularly the right not be murdered in cold blood at life's onset.
If you had asked any of the liberal icons, say, Gandhi or Thoreau, what was their position on abortion, they would have recoiled in horror at the suggestion that there could actually be more than one position on abortion. Abortion is murder, and no sensible liberal or conservative would ever support it because it is murder. Understand that and you don't have to understand anything else.
Unsustainable logic, Manny. A fertilized egg is not a human being any more than an acorn is an oak tree. You may pronounce "Abortion is murder" all you like, and others, including myself, will remain unconvinced. In this life there are sound reasons to perform abortions, just as there are to remove limbs.
As a general rule, I prioritize the rights of the already-born-and-living, and award the parents responsibility for their own health and families. When you and I (and the church and the courts) steer clear of other people's bedrooms and hospital rooms, the world goes 'round a whole lot better.
Steve:
There is where we differ in a literal nutshell, because to me an acorn is an oak tree just as surely as a baby is the father of man.
For me this is not a religious or political position; it is an ethical one.
The only "sound reason" to perform an abortion is to save a woman's physical life, not to promote her "peace of mind" or "psychological well-being" or for any other bullshit excuse or justification.
It has been observed that women and girls enter abortion clinics smiling but always leave in tears, and in almost all cases what took place that day becomes immediately the greatest regret of their lives.
Abortions are not performed in bedrooms, Steve. No one makes the decision while they are engaged in sex that if the act results in pregnancy they will have the baby aborted. Maybe they should reflect on that question before they engage in sexual activity; perhaps then they will be more responsible and there will be fewer abortions.
Abortions are not performed in bedrooms, Steve.
But they are performed in back alleys and other unsavory spots, largely because of people whose ideology is similar to yours.
An acorn is NOT an oak tree, Manny. Sorry, it just isn't: try cracking and eating an oak tree if you don't believe me.
And merely stating that there's only one reason to perform an abortion doesn't make it so, either. Obviously many disagree with you, including me, who's had a perfectly legitimate reason to become party to an abortion, and carried it through. It didn't make me or my partner at the time very happy, but it was the right decision nevertheless. That's how life is.
I entirely agree that the matter is an ethical one, but I suspect your position also derives from where the same place as so many of your others: ongoing hatred of Fidel Castrate. Reviling abortion as inhuman and citing Cuba as the place where abortion is prevalent provides another arrow for your quill.
PS No fetuses were drawn and quartered in the personal case to which I alluded.
Steve:
Now, Steve, who is perpetuating myths here? There never was such a thing as a "back alley" abortionist, not even when abortion was illegal. Nor were abortionists drunkards or rejects from their profession. The abortionists, then as now, were your trusted family physicians out to make a fast buck
I will not address your personal case because I don't know the circumstances surrounding it. You will agree with me, however, that it was not an enjoyable experience for either you or your girlfriend and that you hope never to be in that situation again.
I would object to abortion whether Castro was or was not the world's biggest abortionist. But you are right: "Reviling abortion as inhuman and citing Cuba as the place where abortion is [most] prevalent provides another arrow for [my] quill." Indeed it does.
Steve:
I think you'd make an excellent PR guy for Planned Parenthood.
Jewbana: I'd rather work for "Plant Parenthood." But thanks.
Manuel:
Como me has hecho llorar con esa foto del bebito. How horrible, OMG!
Jewbana:
The proponents of abortion do not want you to see that picture and understandibly so, since almost no one can look at it with the same detachment as they do. This is evil at its most concentrated and irredeemable; evil writ as large as it can be upon the face of the earth. Anyone who sees this photograph and continues to support abortion is already morally dead. I am sorry for the tears it made you cry, but no other reaction would have been human.
Look at the yellow gloves that this butcher of humans or his confederate is wearing. Those gloves are not surgical gloves. They are the kind of gloves that, say, a workman might use to clear away debris. Having savaged the baby, beheaded it and torn off his arm, the abortionist is now too squeamish to touch it, as if he felt threatened by his handiwork.
that is the most horrible thing i have ever seen. i cant beleive someone would such a thing children are the future of our world and we go around killing them thats wrong
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I THINK ABORTION IN ANYWAY SHOULDN'T BE LEGAL.... WHEN A GIRL,YOUNG WOMAN,OR GROWN WOMAN HAVE SEX THEY KNW WHAT COULD HAPPEN N SHOULDNT HAVE THE CHOICE TO KEEP IT OR NOT WHEN THAT WAS THEIR CHOICE..... UNLESS IT WAS LIKE A RAPE CASE OR LIFE OR DEATH FOR THE BABY OR MOTHER.
Ok I don't want a reply from anyone, I personally think this is bs, I could never do this an as a new mother, wife, daughter, sister, an aunt I don't get not one big how someone could be so self centered an ignorant yes I said it an yes I mean every bit of it, the parent/parents an if u want to call ur self a doctor that does this or allows this seriously needs mental help, you should be put in jail an have the crap beatin out of u every day but my to death jus so u hurt an feel it an maybe that will knock some since in ur head.
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Using evil to prey upon evil.
I realize the horrific days of people planning monsterous acts like the Holocaust are behind us. But that doesn't mean still are not scams in the economy, besides The Skim, which the gods view as necessary for positioning's sake.
Just as clone hosting selected disfavored whom the gods wanted to ensure had no chance to ascend before The End, so did being invited into the 21st century real estate scam ensure as of yet undetermined punishment elements.
They instructed people whom they wanted to condition about when the stock market would top out and told them when they should shift their asset base into real estate instead.
And they told them when to sell before they tanked the real estate market as well, timing all based on the level of confidence they wanted each to understand.
The victims may cry "Why would this happen to me." but their behavior in a prior life would answer this:::It didin't happen to anyone who didn't deserve it. IRONICALLY, SOME WHO ENTERED CLONE HOSTING AND PLANNED THIS ECONOMIC EVENT BEFORE THEY LEFT WERE REINCARNATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS EVENT.
The God's poetic justice can be a beautiful thing indeed, even if they are evil immoral hypocrites.
Both the public and the private sector host $400k overpaid employees. The difference?
The public sector preys upon the disfavored rejects from motherlands, people too disfavored to stay reproducing with their own blood. Corporate preyed upon the more favored purebloods from their motherland through sourcing and therefore incurr more evil in the eyes of the gods, for their lives have more value. Yet another great example of the god's "reverse positioning".
They point the finger at me and claim I participate by shopping at WalMart.
Now this is something I have yet to understand, for they ALL engage in this sourcing due to cheap Asian labor.
It is the essence of life in the United States, and it is not by accident. Overconsumption of the Earth's resources is due to the same reason.
And Walmart has a very straightforward business model; rest assured I pay a margin on each and every product I purchase at Walmart independantly, including my $3 box of American made Cherios and my 68 cent can of Campbell's tomato soup.
INCIDENTALLY, it seems to me we pay THE SAME PRICE FOR SHIT THAT WE DID BEFORE SOURCING BEGAN. The difference is being poicketed by corporate and the $400k employees who are recruited into playing a part in this evil.
The gods intentionally set this up to ensure the onus falls upon the preditory capitalist and less on the ignorant public.
Trash at the top just as there is trash in the ghetto.
Using evil to prey upon evil.
I realize the horrific days of people planning monsterous acts like the Holocaust are behind us. But that doesn't mean still are not scams in the economy, besides The Skim, which the gods view as necessary for positioning's sake.
Just as clone hosting selected disfavored whom the gods wanted to ensure had no chance to ascend before The End, so did being invited into the 21st century real estate scam ensure as of yet undetermined punishment elements.
They instructed people whom they wanted to condition about when the stock market would top out and told them when they should shift their asset base into real estate instead.
And they told them when to sell before they tanked the real estate market as well, timing all based on the level of confidence they wanted each to understand.
The victims may cry "Why would this happen to me." but their behavior in a prior life would answer this:::It didin't happen to anyone who didn't deserve it. IRONICALLY, SOME WHO ENTERED CLONE HOSTING AND PLANNED THIS ECONOMIC EVENT BEFORE THEY LEFT WERE REINCARNATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS EVENT.
The God's poetic justice can be a beautiful thing indeed, even if they are evil immoral hypocrites.
Both the public and the private sector host $400k overpaid employees. The difference?
The public sector preys upon the disfavored rejects from motherlands, people too disfavored to stay reproducing with their own blood. Corporate preyed upon the more favored purebloods from their motherland through sourcing and therefore incurr more evil in the eyes of the gods, for their lives have more value. Yet another great example of the god's "reverse positioning".
They point the finger at me and claim I participate by shopping at WalMart.
Now this is something I have yet to understand, for they ALL engage in this sourcing due to cheap Asian labor.
It is the essence of life in the United States, and it is not by accident. Overconsumption of the Earth's resources is due to the same reason.
And Walmart has a very straightforward business model; rest assured I pay a margin on each and every product I purchase at Walmart independantly, including my $3 box of American made Cherios and my 68 cent can of Campbell's tomato soup.
INCIDENTALLY, it seems to me we pay THE SAME PRICE FOR SHIT THAT WE DID BEFORE SOURCING BEGAN. The difference is being poicketed by corporate and the $400k employees who are recruited into playing a part in this evil.
The gods intentionally set this up to ensure the onus falls upon the preditory capitalist and less on the ignorant public.
Trash at the top just as there is trash in the ghetto.
If you just simply look at the picture of this poor baby boy, then you should just know that abortion is wrong. Steve what if this had happend to you or your parent..perhaps you would be thinking differently. Your comments make me sick.
Steve makes me sick. How could anyone not look at this photo and said that it is murder??? Do you not see a head? Do you not see a body? Do you not see arms, legs, hands, and feet? If this baby had been born and was living with his parents and you Steve had decided to take him and sever his limbs and head like that, you would be in jail for life because you committed murder!!! You are sick and inhumane if you think this should be okay. Look up the definition for abortion. According to webster's: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. Well, if it isn't life or isn't alive, then how can it die (hense the definition containing the word "death of the embryo")? It has to be alive in order to die so I ask again, how is this not considered murder???
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WHAT THE HELL is wrong with you people are you sick in the head these are babies human beings how would you like to be be killed as soon as you get your first breathe in life, you must be mentally unstable and very ill to think its ok to kill a baby that's been grown in a mothers womb for 9 months I am only 19 and due to have my first baby in 3 weeks I think its wrong if you never wanted to have a baby DON'T LET IT HAPPEN in the first place, SIMPLE
El aborto LEGAL en Cuba no supera nunca las 10 semanas de gestación. Sólo hay que observar la foto para darse cuenta de que ésta corresponde a un aborto MÉDICO y no a una interrupción voluntaria del embarazo: supera y con mucho las 24 semanas.
Si no sabe, no hable. Lástima de la gente que tiene que recurrir a las falsedades para convencer con sus argumentos. Y lástima de los ignorantes que se creen todo lo que les cuentan y no lo cuestionan. Lea más, le vendrá bien.
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