"If there's something I consider vital for me to do in a future Cuba, [it] will be to help making sure those tendencies hardline groups exhibit here (disrespect for other's opinions, disregard for free speech, demonization politics, radicalization, bullying, etc) don't get imported into Cuba's political debate."
Alex @ Stuck on the Palmetto, 10/2/07, 11:08 AM
Those tendencies need to be imported into Cuba? Where but in Castro's Cuba did they originate?
Ah Alex our in residence idiot at SOTP, he needs to learn to think before he talks, he sounds like a Castro agent
ReplyDeleteWow, two answers and two accusations of being a Castro agent (along with idiot and "learn to think", from Vana no less). Talk about making my point.
ReplyDeleteBTW MAnuelito, semantics: "imported" doesn't mean something didn't exist beforehand or even that is native -we import oil for example. It's the hardliners brand of intolerance that shouldn't flourish in Cuba after Castro's is erradicated.
Alex:
ReplyDeleteNeither Vana nor Cari are hardliners so you can't make your point at their expense.
Everything that you describe as objectionable and ascribe to exile hardliners can be applied to Castro's hardliners with greater truth and on an infinitely greater scale.
When Castroism (and not merely Castro) expires, the ones seeking justice for past wrongs won't be the exiliados históricos but your generation and younger. Perhaps they will all embrace your liberal view of reconciliation without justice. But somehow I doubt it.
So, yes, if there's anything that you must even remotely answer for in Cuba, stay away.
Alex,
ReplyDeleteANYONE who actually knows what goes on in Cuba and is NOT an apologist for castro would think you are either crazy or have something to gain from your comments.
If you don't want to be called an agent of castro...don't parrot all the things that castro agents routinely say.
Oh and Alex,
ReplyDeleteYou are the one who began sullying the Cuban exiles. And you are the one who doesn't respect other peoples opinions. Even those "hardliners" have a right to their opinions without you defaming them.
I love how many so called "liberals" never debate anything on it merits...you only try to defame and tarnish your opponents...but when someone throws it back at you...you just can't take it.
You have the your rights and I have mine.
It's in Cuba where there is only one opinion allowed and when you don't conform...you're destroyed in every way possible including your reputation.
If you were born in Cuba you already know this...so don't pretend to be so innocent.
Don't worry Manuelito, I have nothing to fear. Can you say the same?
ReplyDeleteCari: I couldn't care less what you call me. But you certainly are proving me right.
Alex:
ReplyDelete"I have nothing to fear" is a subjective statement. The facts on the ground may alter your subjectivity. As for myself, what more can the red hordes do to me? I am already at the stage that can be called post-fear.
Alex,
ReplyDeleteAnd you're proving my theory as well...thanks!
Manuelito, what "red hordes" are you talking about? I presume the scenario you think I have to fear is post-Castro Cuba (ironically, the one I have actually feared going back is Castro's Cuba). Keep your premises straight.
ReplyDeleteAlex,
ReplyDeleteEvery time you post something it's less and less understandable. Why would you "fear" going back to Cuba?
Don't you live in Florida? Why would you fear something that you don't have to do?
Why would it be "ironic" to fear going back to Castro's Cuba? That would be understandable, isn't that why we all left? The "ironic" part would be to fear going back after Castro...unless you have something to answer for???
I'm only trying to understand you.
Alex:
ReplyDeleteOne doesn't exclude the other. There are many people who would have just cause to fear both. Not everyone guilty of crimes against the Cuban people in the course of Castro's rule is in Cuba; a great many are here and have been here for decades. These people, and many "exalted patriots" among them, could not return today or tomorrow to Cuba. I am not putting you in their league because you left Cuba while you were relatively young. But there are doubtless many in your generation who have committed their share of crimes and are trapped in the present because they fear (with just cause) the future. That future that terrifies them, of course, is not populated by septugenerians with megaphones, but their own contemporaries with more lethal implements.